So what's the fall back option?

Guilds · 2019-10-06T03:24:19.997Z

The IMF, the USA, and many other nations wanted the corrupt prosecutor fired.

The IMP also was threatening to block billions is aid.

Biden was blowing smoke. Kind of like what Trump does.

WildRose · 2019-10-06T03:26:14.143Z

None of your deflections are relevant to the conflict of interest, the quid pro quo, or the corruption.

Biden should never have been involved period.

Paul_Thomson · 2019-10-06T03:50:20.322Z

Guilds:

The IMF for one threatening to withhold 40 billion in aid.

Who in the IMF?
Do you really believe the IMF is an organisation that crusades for the benefit of citizens against corruption in governments?

WildRose · 2019-10-06T03:53:08.787Z

International Monetary Fund, basically another backdoor way to send US tax dollars overseas to buy political favors.

Guilds · 2019-10-06T05:17:14.007Z

Quid pro quo?

For some, facts are deflections.

See ya pardner.

Guilds · 2019-10-06T05:18:05.884Z

Paul_Thomson:

Who in the IMF?

Wow…
Dude, you are out of your league.

So do some basic reading…and come back.

WildRose · 2019-10-06T05:18:07.966Z

Yes, quid pro quo, a billion dollars to fire the prosecutor within six hours.

Guilds · 2019-10-06T05:18:46.153Z

WildRose:

Yes, quid pro quo, a billion dollars to fire the prosecutor within six hours

conan · 2019-10-06T06:10:01.981Z

So libs…how’s that fake impeachment going?

WildRose · 2019-10-06T06:11:54.496Z

Nowhere so far.

Paul_Thomson · 2019-10-06T07:46:10.830Z

Guilds:

Wow…
Dude, you are out of your league.

So do some basic reading…and come back.

Are you too embarrassed to simply admit you don’t know? Looks like it.

Paul_Thomson · 2019-10-06T08:25:32.834Z

conan:

So libs…how’s that fake impeachment going

They smell smoke, and assume there’s are flames under POTUS, but it’s their own pants on .

WildRose · 2019-10-06T08:40:20.406Z

It isn’t smoke they are smelling… .

Tommy-Englander · 2019-10-06T10:01:33.437Z

WildRose:

It’s directly related since the prosecutor Joe demanded be fired was looking into Burisma.

At a bare minimum it’s a clear conflict of interest. Looking at it more broadly and in context, it’s completely corrupt.

Shokin wasn’t investigating Burisma at the time BIden made his ultimatum

“Simply put, there were no active investigations into Burisma at the time of Shokin’s removal in 2016. If anything, Shokin served as a barrier to a real investigation into the company. When, for example, Britain’s Serious Fraud Office froze $23m (£19m) of Zlochevsky’s assets after a money laundering investigation, it was Shokin’s office that produced an exonerating letter that Zlochevsky then used to unfreeze the cash. Internal prosecutor reports seen by Bloomberg confirmed that Shokin declined to pursue an investigation at all stages.”

The Independent – 3 Oct 19

How a wild conspiracy theory led to impeachment proceedings against Trump

In the process of dissecting the fantasy of Joe Biden’s wrongdoing, few emerge with honour, writes Oliver Carroll, in Kiev

WildRose · 2019-10-06T10:05:35.296Z

Yes he was, the case remained open and according to Shokin himself Biden and his partner were both on the list to be questioned.

Tommy-Englander · 2019-10-06T10:10:29.930Z

According to Shokin? Shokin has zero credibility.

"This is not a scandal of Kiev’s making – or asking. Many Ukrainians are surprised to see the name of Burisma pushed to international front pages. They are even more astonished at seeing their former chief prosecutor portrayed as an anti-corruption warrior.

“We were very angry that three separate general prosecutors failed to investigate Burisma properly,” says Daria Kaleniuk, the founder of Ukraine’s Anti-Corruption Action Centre, an organisation that has examined Burisma’s dealings in forensic detail. “But we are frankly amazed that a corrupt prosecutor is now being described [by Donald Trump] as a good prosecutor.”

WildRose · 2019-10-06T10:12:22.576Z

Reject if it if it makes you feel comforted but Shokin was the guy running the investigation so he is the original and most credible source as to it’s progress.

BlueTex · 2019-10-06T12:17:39.873Z

Paul_Thomson:

Why would that be a problem. The house minority let the press know they are launching an impeachment enquiry into the questionable activities of Pelosi, Schiff et alia. They demand Peloso, Schiff, Nadler etc. recuse themselves. If they don’t, it’s an obvious conflict of interest. If they do, and their stand-ins don’t cooperate by issuing subpoenas, it’s an obvious cover-up.

Their will be goose sauce flying in all directions.

How many Democrats will be handing over their financial records to the inquiry?

Well dang it… It turns out that the Senate decided in 1799 that members of congress are not civil officers… Your plan just fell apart…

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AmusedObserver · 2019-10-06T15:20:58.378Z

WildRose:

That’s a lot of wasted bandwidth just to not give a straight answer.

Has McConnel shut the democrats out of all hearings? Has he said he’d shut them out of an impeachment trial?

There’s a context to everything. You should consider it.

As for McConnell, his history for the past 5 years is yes, the Democrats get shut out of the process. Ask Merrick Garland.

AmusedObserver · 2019-10-06T15:25:08.555Z

WildRose:

It’s directly related since the prosecutor Joe demanded be fired was looking into Burisma.

At a bare minimum it’s a clear conflict of interest. Looking

Were you aware that “Joe” was acting on behalf of the administration, not on his own? Were you aware that even some Republican Senators had asked the Obama administration to push reforms in the Ukraine’s Prosecutor General office?