They need to leave and come back. To have skin in the game. Otherwise, it is very much a reward.
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Sure. It’s fine by me. Stupid to make them leave first. Whats the point?
Just issue them a work permit and plug them into the system.
But this is a radical shift for Trump.
No it’s not. It makes them legal under existing laws. Otherwise, you would simply be granting them amnesty. Once you do that, then you would have to grant everyone amnesty.
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Why? Why not just say “If you are a valued employee and your boss writes you a letter, you can have a green card.”
What’s the point in making someone leave, go through the expense, cost the company productivity, if you’re just going to let them back in?
You would be granting them amnesty if they don’t leave first. You can’t just single out a section of the illegal population for amnesty.
Today anyone who self-deports can come back legally. Yes, with a letter some can come back quicker. But that is always the case, when a need arises for foreign workers.
They are here illegally.
They are no longer here illegally.
Changing one’s illegal status to legal status is granting amnesty. That isn’t going to happen.
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I disagree. They’re here now illegally. They should leave and come back through legal channels.
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In another thread you were touting how important it is to follow the law. 
If I were president, I would be endorsing some sort of process to legalize/document those who are undocumented but have assimilated into jobs and neighborhoods, and have not committed any other crimes.
I wouldn’t push for it, though, until the immigration process is solidified and cleaned up. Otherwise the undocumented-to-documented process just becomes a perpetual escalator.
But maybe set some “from this day forward” as a cutoff date. I don’t care if it gets labeled as amnesty. If it creates a once-and-for-all event, I’d endorse it.
How about passing a law that means THIS would be following it?
Yeah, me too.
Just seems like the only way.
It’s all good by me. I don’t think they should even have to leave.
It’s just remarkable how quickly he shifts his positions. I wonder how this will play with the hardcore base.
We already have a law. We don’t need another.
Self-deport and come back legally. No new law needed.
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The thing about MAGA is that it is surprisingly flexible for some weird reason.
The rhetoric is very much “no true Scotsman” but once Trump changes his mind on something it becomes “everyone is a true Scotsman.”
I tried multiple times to understand what you are trying to say there…
Current law requires them to leave. That’s what I was referring to, in answer to your “what’s the point” question.
I should have just said:
Maybe we should change the law.
It’s a real gift.
Cool beans.
Until then …
I suppose the problem is these hotels and farms are hiring illegals and now want to keep them when the gig is up. But they don’t want the expense of the H2B visa, which is very pricey for the business. If the immigrant broke the law so did the business that hired them. If the immigrant has to exit and come back the business should also face consequences of violating US law by hiring them.
If this is a way for businesses to skirt H2B visa costs, which are considerable, I don’t see how this happens. Plus, the immigrant would be forced to work for their sponsor, if they quit they lose their right to work here. This is tantamount to indentured servitude and human trafficking. All kinds of abuse could happen in this sort of situation, because the business holds all the power over the worker.
Deporting illegals doesn’t mean we end immigration. If there are certain areas that need more workers, bring those people in…legally and vetted.
That is consistent with Trumps proposed immigration bill in his first term where he wanted chain migration to be replaced with immigration based on economic needs.
Should people who had been here illegally get a preference? I don’t like that part. But I am fine with not holding it against them for future immigration if they left of their own volition.
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So reward them for crossing illegally…sounds like a great plan
NOT!!!
Do it the right way, full stop.
