They are currently very successful. The myth part comes from when they were initially given the label back in the WWII era. At that time they were no more successful.
The Harvard issue is almost a self fulfilling prophecy. The Asian applicants were so qualified score wise, Harvard came up with ways to maintain diversity (personality test scores) which seems to penalize high achievement.
WuWei
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Used by whom for what purpose?
3rd bullet - who helped them then?
WuWei
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“Seems to”? Achievement is diverse.
United States wartime and immediate post wartime government followed by those who were not supportive of black civil rights movement/social demands.
It was not a matter of being helped. It was a matter of not having the previous racism to prevent upward movement. That was the finding of the study I linked to (and others). The minority groups were more or less equal at the end of WWII. Only major difference became change in racism towards the groups.
WuWei
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Helluva a plan. I wonder who all was in on it.
So the theory is they did all that, got so far ahead, because they weren’t held back for 20 years? Not helped, just not held back? Not even a generation?
Is that gap growing or shrinking?
Here’s some info on the Chinese-American part during WWII. Plenty of pro-Chinese and anti-Japanese WWII propaganda posters out there.
Here’s the 1966 NYT where the term “model minority” was first used. Talks about Japanese-American success, background. Success secondary to “national character.”
US News and World Reports from same year. This time Chinese-American success. This time “hard work, thrift and morality” were the keys. A couple not so nice comparisons towards blacks as well.
Plenty of racially charged material towards black from that time period can be found.
As for the time to become successful, Asian income (if that’s the metric for success) didn’t match that of whites until 1980. That’s roughly 30-40 years to get there from the start of these changes. How long did it take European immigrants (Irish, German, Italian) to reach income levels equal to that of native white Americans after most arrived here in poverty?
like this old man who had his head smashed open today, clearly a threat.
There are all kinds of horrible videos from the protesting whether it’s police to a little old lady being beat by a 2x4 which is why this needs to stop.
48 shootings 17 homicides and if it wasn’t for the police superintendent reading off the stats for that one particular Sunday no one would know and fewer would care. There will not be protests for the 17 deaths.
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Looting, arson and assault goes well beyond civil disobedience.
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I’m not familiar with that expression. Is that code for “I give up; you win”?
Samm
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The question can easily be answered simply by referring to crime statistics.
I’ve been following this discussion between you and SV and here’s my take. Whenever it comes to analyzing the plight of certain groups in America, in particularly black Americans, those on the left usually, if not always, disregard the individual and seek to analyze outcomes in more complex all encompassing outworking’s of the “system.” After discussing and listening to liberals for the past ten years I always come away with the impression that they view people as largely mindless products of whatever system they are a part of, but I digress. This is not to say that there are not aspects of how racism and aspects of whatever systems were in play during the past have had no deleterious effect, but one can’t ignore the decline of the black family from the 1960’s and the detrimental effects that had. Are we to simply disregard that fact in assessing where things are today? What if 70-80% of black children born during the 1970’s, 80’s and 90’s were to married two parent households, do you think things would still be the same today? I found this article as informative and provides a different perspective. It’s quite lengthy. I found these two paragraphs to be close to my point:
"The protest generating the most buzz came from William Ryan, a CORE activist, in “Savage Discovery: The Moynihan Report,” published in The Nation and later reprinted in the NAACP’s official publication. Ryan, though a psychologist, did not hear Moynihan’s point that as the family goes, so go the children. He heard code for the archaic charge of black licentiousness. He described the report as a “highly sophomoric treatment of illegitimacy” and insisted that whites’ broader access to abortion, contraception, and adoption hid the fact that they were no less “promiscuous” than blacks. Most memorably, he accused Moynihan of “blaming the victim,” a phrase that would become the title of his 1971 book and the fear-inducing censor of future plain speaking about the ghetto’s decay.
That Ryan’s phrase turned out to have more cultural staying power than anything in the Moynihan report is a tragic emblem of the course of the subsequent discussion about the ghetto family. For white liberals and the black establishment, poverty became a zero-sum game: either you believed, as they did, that there was a defect in the system, or you believed that there was a defect in the individual. It was as if critiquing the family meant that you supported inferior schools, even that you were a racist. Though “The Negro Family” had been a masterpiece of complex analysis that implied that individuals were intricately entwined in a variety of systems—familial, cultural, and economic—it gave birth to a hardened, either/or politics from which the country has barely recovered." (Emphasis mine.)
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So are Japanese not successful? It seems they were held back.
