So...Does the Democratic Party Hate White people? (CRT)

[Guntsu]

I am more of a Popper guy

" In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be unwise. But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols."

[WuWei]

@PurpnGold

@WuWei

I want you to tell me how you are oppressed. What opportunities do you not have because of your race?

It’s not about me… I’m just one person. My anecdote is not proof that oppression does or does not exist. Can’t believe I have to say this to an adult.

You’re the one claiming it and you’re part of the group. You are claiming “black people”, which you claim to be a part of. Now you want to be an individual?

The poverty rates for minorities was the lowest it’s ever been in 2019. For white people it didn’t change? You see me whining about white people being oppressed because their poverty rate was higher than Asians? Must be racism right?

When you look at anything, you only want to control for race. Race doesn’t make you poor. Dropping out of school does. Having children outside of a stable relationship does. Not working does. Being a dullard does.

How are you oppressed? What opportunities do you not have in this country because of the color your skin?

[WuWei]

@Guntsu

But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force;

Straight Marcuse. Apparently they debated. Popper was a Hegelian. Birds of a feather.

[WuWei]

@Dem

Are you not? I mention teaching values to children, and you mention indoctrination.

Teaching values is indoctrination.

@Dem

Beliefs? So when certain values are taught, that’s education, others is indoctrination?. I don’t know what you mean by “the agenda”.

No. Teaching beliefs is indoctrination. Teaching math is education.

Sure you do.

@Dem

The cats out of the bag on that one. Parents have relegated quite a bit to teachers. From education, to discipline, to instilling certain values.

It’s all about how much of a role should teachers play now.

Agreed. And now some of them are taking it back. Cat out indeed.

@Dem

Is the paradox wrong?

It’s not a paradox. It’s a strategy. Crushing dissent is nothing new.

@Dem

Life is not a level playing field.

No? Strange.

@Dem

Bringing this back to race, and historical oppression. The laws were changed, but the circumstances of the oppressed were not. The playing field was not made level.

Yes it was. It seems you want the state to dictate the terms of the game and make all the measurements. The field is most assuredly not level now, it’s not tilted the way TV Man tells you it is.

@Dem

Sure everyone plays by the same rules now,

That’s all the state can do. That’s equality.

[WuWei]

@Dem

or that certain people need to catch up now after all the disadvantages they were given.

Not possible. There is no “catching up”. Generations are different. We each live in our own time.

Catch up to what? White people?

[gooddad409]

@WuWei

@PurpnGold

@WuWei

I want you to tell me how you are oppressed. What opportunities do you not have because of your race?

It’s not about me… I’m just one person. My anecdote is not proof that oppression does or does not exist. Can’t believe I have to say this to an adult.

You’re the one claiming it and you’re part of the group. You are claiming “black people”, which you claim to be a part of. Now you want to be an individual?

The poverty rates for minorities was the lowest it’s ever been in 2019. For white people it didn’t change? You see me whining about white people being oppressed because their poverty rate was higher than Asians? Must be racism right?

When you look at anything, you only want to control for race. Race doesn’t make you poor. Dropping out of school does. Having children outside of a stable relationship does. Not working does. Being a dullard does.

How are you oppressed? What opportunities do you not have in this country because of the color your skin?

[Samm]

@biggestal99

@Samm

Knowing our history and reliving it are two very different things.

Sometimes people forget about what transpired in the late 60s-early 70s America.

You do know the boxing heavyweight champ was facing years in prison for being a CO before SCOTUS intervened.

There is a huge difference between reminding (educating) people about the past and pretending that the situation of the past is still in effect.

[Samm]

@biggestal99

@WuWei

Because he was black.

Prolly because he was famous and black.

The jack johnson effect.

No … It was because he was so openly hypocritical regarding the religious beliefs (the American brand of Islam) on which he based his conscience to not serve in the military.

By the way, I had a friend in college who was granted CO status, yet served (as a Medic) and who died in Vietnam. Being against war and killing is (was) not a blanket exception to military service.

[Samm]

@PurpnGold

@WuWei

Centuries of systemic oppression takes the stroke of a pen to fix.

You are better than this… I think

400 years of oppression… and somehow you think every single effect of oppression is gone with the stroke of a pen.

Maybe not at the stoke of a pen, but surely after 57 years.

Perhaps you could give an example or two to demonstrate how oppressed you are to help us understand.

[Dem]

@WuWei

Teaching values is indoctrination.

If teach values equals indoctrination, than not all indoctrination is bad.

@WuWei

No. Teaching beliefs is indoctrination. Teaching math is education.

What of Evolution, the moon landing, global earth, vaccines and autism.

One mans education, is another mans indoctrination.

@WuWei

Sure you do.

I’m going to assume you mean CRT, CT. I don’t follow the conversation, outside of what little I’ve read here.

@WuWei

It’s not a paradox. It’s a strategy. Crushing dissent is nothing new.

“Crushing dissent” is part of it, sure. But it’s a paradox. In order to have a society that is tolerant, you’d have to be intolerant of those who would spread intolerance.

@WuWei

Yes it was. It seems you want the state to dictate the terms of the game and make all the measurements. The field is most assuredly not level now, it’s not tilted the way TV Man tells you it is.

I wouldn’t go that far.

Who’s favor is it tilted in now?

@WuWei

That’s all the state can do. That’s equality.

The state can do more.

@WuWei

Catch up to what? White people?

Sure, the majority.

[WuWei]

@Dem

If teach values equals indoctrination, than not all indoctrination is bad.

I didn’t say it is. What do you think the difference between “good” and “bad” is?

@Dem

What of Evolution, the moon landing, global earth, vaccines and autism.

One mans education, is another mans indoctrination.

What of them? Are you trying to induce a behavior or sharing information? Are you making value judgments?

@Dem

I’m going to assume you mean CRT, CT. I don’t follow the conversation, outside of what little I’ve read here.

Don’t assume. Any agenda.

@Dem

I wouldn’t go that far.

Who’s favor is it tilted in now?

I will.

Who do you think?

@Dem

The state can do more.

Not morally. Why should it? Can, but may it?

@Dem

Sure, the majority.

In what world does the minority “catch up” to the majority?

[Samm]

@Dem

If teach values equals indoctrination, than not all indoctrination is bad.

Who gave you the idea that it was?

[Hexenbiest]

Agreed it’s just ‘never forget’ usually only covers fascism of the axis in WW2, slavery, Jim Crowe, and the civil rights movement in America. There is a plethora of other events throughout history that people not only forgets but probably have no clue about ever happened. Mao and Stalin are good examples.

Imho students should get a broader study of Mao and Stalin to show what happens when a country lurches to far left as well. We are upset of slavery before the American civil war which we should be, but few know there is more slavery ‘estimate 40 million’ being practiced in 2021 around the world that’s hardily a blip of the discussion. It’s also a little odd that our biggest trading partner happens to have a million minorities looked in concentration camps while our businesses doing business with China turn a blind eye, and then give money to rights groups in the west.

[WuWei]

@WuWei

@PurpnGold time to get rid of affirmative action, admissions policies, etc?

Not yet…

Federal judge rules University of North Carolina can continue race-based...

[WuWei]

Look at these idiots!

NYC declares racism a public health crisis citing COVID

[Samm]

@WuWei

@WuWei

@PurpnGold time to get rid of affirmative action, admissions policies, etc?

Not yet…

Federal judge rules University of North Carolina can continue race-based admissions | Fox News

Sounds like systemic racism to me. I guess I was wrong about saying it no longer exists.

[Ceasar]

@biggestal99

@conan

I don’t care…I said some, you say more then some. What’s the number? And were you one of them?

1. Number? Stacks. I posted a link.

2. I don’t answer stupid questions.

Allan

2: Uh-Huh…you did…

[thinkingman]

“we got to take white people out”

“white people are committed to being villains in the aggregate“

— leftist college professor, on “white” people

do we wonder from where the mental disease of leftism springs forth?

ooh dont miss her TED talk

the daily mail uk - open with caution

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[WuWei]

That article title is a filter bypass. I’ll fix it for you.