So...Does the Democratic Party Hate White people? (CRT)

[biggestal99]

@WuWei

Was it all black people who ran to Canada?

They weren’t COs.

Allan

[WuWei]

Ok, if you say so.

[WuWei]

@Dem

Same way it’s always been done. Make discriminatory acts illegal, and then go after the children.

Stunning admission.

[Dem]

@WuWei

Goodness gracious. What makes that any different than any other indoctrination?

Imparting any kind of knowledge or thought to children can be considered indoctrination.

From moon landings and flat earth, religion,to teaching kids not to be racist.

Someone is going to complain and call it indoctrination.

@WuWei

No, those are all outcomes. You have been sold a bill of goods, a narrative.

Just because the law changed, doesn’t mean people stopped discriminating. They just changed their tactics to stay within the law.

People didn’t just go, “gee my bad for being racist, let me help you out now”

[DougBH]

@Jezcoe

@PurpnGold

Brown v board happened in 1954

That caused a whole bunch of schools in my State of VA to shut down so they wouldn’t have to integrate.

Then public funding is as diverted to private schools for education freedom. Guess who got those funds?

Cool…. Right?

Wow. And they are still doing that? They need to stop that, whether people claim it’s CRT or not.

[WuWei]

@Dem

Someone is going to complain and call it indoctrination.

Isn’t it?

@Dem

Just because the law changed, doesn’t mean people stopped discriminating. They just changed their tactics to stay within the law.

And the law changed again. Law doesn’t “stop” anything. It provides a mechanism for punishment.

How do you think you’re going to stop people from feeling? From discriminating? You discriminate.

@Dem

People didn’t just go, “gee my bad for being racist, let me help you out now”

Is that the requirement?

[Dem]

@WuWei

Isn’t it?

People just use the word indoctrination to mean impart values I don’t like.

What’s the line between indoctrination and education?

When does a parent teaching a kid their values cross the line and become indoctrination?

@WuWei

How do you think you’re going to stop people from feeling ? From discriminating? You discriminate.

Yup, it’s the paradox of tolerance. In order for tolerance to be had, one must be intolerant of the intolerant.

@WuWei

Is that the requirement?

Depends on what the goal is. Is the goal simply to wipe ones hands clean, and say, cool we are equal now?

Or is the goal to help their fellow man after they have been oppressed for centuries?

[PurpnGold]

@WuWei

Missed a word.

How are you oppressed?

You want my personal anecdote to prove the broader claim?

[Guntsu]

@Dem

Yup, it’s the paradox of tolerance. In order for tolerance to be had, one must be intolerant of the intolerant.

Karl Popper nice! and I agree

[Oldandtired]

Go after the children? So that is what the big CRT indoctrination plan is?

[Oldandtired]

Parents have every right to teach their children the values they believe in.
You do not have the right to force your values on other people’s children.

[Dem]

@Oldandtired

Go after the children? So that is what the big CRT indoctrination plan is?

I don’t know much of crt or ct, and don’t have the time for research.

@Oldandtired

You do not have the right to force your values on other people’s children.

When you send your child to private or public school, it is done with the knowledge that they will be exposed to and taught various values, ideas, events, etc.

If someone wants to only teach their own values, then homeschooling is an option.

[WuWei]

@Dem

People just use the word indoctrination to mean impart values I don’t like.

I don’t.

@Dem

What’s the line between indoctrination and education?

Beliefs. The agenda.

@Dem

When does a parent teaching a kid their values cross the line and become indoctrination?

Never, they are the parents. They have a right to indoctrinate. When you start comparing the state to parents, you are on the wrong path.

@Dem

Yup, it’s the paradox of tolerance. In order for tolerance to be had, one must be intolerant of the intolerant.

Atta Herbert!

@Dem

Depends on what the goal is. Is the goal simply to wipe ones hands clean, and say, cool we are equal now?

Or is the goal to help their fellow man after they have been oppressed for centuries?

My fellow men have not been oppressed. Those who were oppressed are not living in poverty or using that oppression as an excuse for not performing and to demand an unlevel playing field so they don’t have to compete.

[WuWei]

@PurpnGold

@WuWei

Missed a word.

How are you oppressed?

You want my personal anecdote to prove the broader claim?

I want you to tell me how you are oppressed. What opportunities do you not have because of your race?

[WuWei]

@Guntsu

@Dem

Yup, it’s the paradox of tolerance. In order for tolerance to be had, one must be intolerant of the intolerant.

Karl Popper nice! and I agree

Herbert Marcuse - repressive tolerance.

[WuWei]

@Oldandtired

Go after the children? So that is what the big CRT indoctrination plan is?

Of course.

[WuWei]

@Dem

When you send your child to private or public school, it is done with the knowledge that they will be exposed to and taught various values, ideas, events, etc.

Of course. Exposed to, not indoctrinated in.

[PurpnGold]

@WuWei

I want you to tell me how you are oppressed. What opportunities do you not have because of your race?

It’s not about me… I’m just one person. My anecdote is not proof that oppression does or does not exist. Can’t believe I have to say this to an adult.

[Dem]

@WuWei

Herbert Marcuse - repressive tolerance.

Nah, I was referencing Popper. Googling it, his thoughts on tolerance predates Marcuse by 20 years.

[Dem]

@WuWei

I don’t.

Are you not? I mention teaching values to children, and you mention indoctrination.

@WuWei

Beliefs. The agenda.

Beliefs? So when certain values are taught, that’s education, others is indoctrination?. I don’t know what you mean by “the agenda”.

@WuWei

When you start comparing the state to parents, you are on the wrong path.

The cats out of the bag on that one. Parents have relegated quite a bit to teachers. From education, to discipline, to instilling certain values.

It’s all about how much of a role should teachers play now.

@WuWei

Atta Herbert!

Is the paradox wrong?

@WuWei

My fellow men have not been oppressed. Those who were oppressed are not living in poverty or using that oppression as an excuse for not performing and to demand an unlevel playing field so they don’t have to compete.

Life is not a level playing field. Legally, sure, everyone follows the same rules. But through circumstances of birth, or sheer luck, life is not and will never be a level playing field.

Bringing this back to race, and historical oppression. The laws were changed, but the circumstances of the oppressed were not. The playing field was not made level.

Certain people got a headstart due to the rules. The rules get changed in the middle. Sure everyone plays by the same rules now, but you can’t deny the head start existed, or that certain people need to catch up now after all the disadvantages they were given.