conan
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Maybe…but don’t believe all western propaganda either.
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conan
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OK…that goes straight over your head.
Guntsu
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Nope, you seem to have this obsession with watching the “west get punished” sorry Russia are the aggressors here if your still buying into the line that Russia invaded Ukraine because of NATO I can’t help you.
Putin has exposed Russia to be the paper tigers that they are and sure they can inflict pain but at the cost of their country.
Let’s see how long they can hold on.
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It’s such a weird angle from which to view this. Again, I honestly cannot remember when NATO looked better. Why do you think other countries want to join it more than ever? Doesn’t that pose a problem for the “NATO SUX” contingent?
Compared to our other wars and conflicts over the last 40 years, this one has relative moral clarity. I am going to go way way out on a limb and say: Putin will be remembered as the villain in this morality play, not NATO, Joe Biden, Barack Obama, Bill Kristol, Hillary Clinton, or Mickey Mouse. It’s a crazy take, I know.
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Guntsu
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It comes from a dislike of the “West and the EU” I agree it makes no sense.
This incursion has been the biggest promoter of NATO yet.
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If we polled the Ukrainian people for who’s responsible for this, I am going to guess almost all of them would say Putin and Russia. I doubt a statistically significant percentage would say “Joe Biden.” It’s crazy talk, I know.
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zantax
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If there are any humans left to remember.
Guntsu
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For all we know aliens could come down from the sky tomorrow
conan
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And 6 months from now…Siege of Kiev still going. That’s 6 months of nightly news showing NATO can’t do a damn thing about it.
conan
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NATO doesn’t suck…it served it purpose. Now it’s a tool for European expansionism…and Americans are suckers for falling for it.
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As long as NATO forces stay out of Ukraine and let the Ukrainians do the fighting, it won’t go nuclear.
Putin has a few screws loose. But I don’t think he’s anywhere near the point where turning half of Russia into glass makes a sensible choice.
You think Russia is going to sustain this for six months?
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Guntsu
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Why would they? Is the expectation of folks that NATO is gonna come in with tanks? No I think that has been made very clear and I don’t see the world clamoring for a military intervention.
zantax
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TheRedComet:
As long as NATO forces stay out of Ukraine and let the Ukrainians do the fighting, it won’t go nuclear.
Putin has a few screws loose. But I don’t think he’s anywhere near the point where turning half of Russia into glass makes a sensible choice.
He could easily deem the destruction of Russia’s economy an act of war,
What does European expansionism mean in this context? Is anyone forcing countries to join NATO, other than Russia itself?
I could see the world asking for military intervention at a certain point. But again, that will make Putin look bad.
The Russians will have to end this long before then.
Their international economy is essentially gone thanks to the sanctions. The ruble has completely collapsed.
It’s going to get to a point where those Thermobaric weapons are going to have to be employed. The Ukrainians have proven that they are not going to surrender and they are essentially embarrassing the Russian Ground Forces in most engagements. He will have to get far more brutal to end the war before the Russian state collapses upon itself.
Putin will have to find a way out of this. Or his biggest threat won’t be NATO anymore. The Russian people will take that position.
conan
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Yeah…until the west stipulate or goes to war against Russia.
Best scenario…someone in KGB/Kremlin steps up.
conan
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Then you’re going to watch it unfold night after night after night. Ukrainians will suffer for your stupidity.
Guntsu
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Not mine, Putins and he keeps making himself and his country look worse by the minute