Shutdown is costing farmers, says Farm Bureau official

FlameHeart · 2019-01-07T23:48:04.037Z

Oh, so it was the Republicans’ fault, even when it was OBAMA who shut the government down?? Is that what you’re saying? Do you really have an argument of your own, or are you just a parrot for the MSM? Please get a new debate strategy.

dantes · 2019-01-07T23:51:53.804Z

I’m not talking about littering. I’m talking about people having to answer the call of nature.

If Trump can’t staff the national park, he should close them before they are trashed. It’s called being responsible.

Trump is responsible for this shut down. This isn’t even controversial. He told us he is responsible.

noSpaces · 2019-01-07T23:53:19.863Z

Yes, the national parks should be completely shutdown. It’s not safe for the parks or the people inside the parks. In the long run it would save money as well versus just leaving them open and unsupervised.

Apocalypto · 2019-01-07T23:53:47.834Z

Fat donald said “he’ll proudly own the shutdown” and moving the goalposts to Obama isn’t going to change that fact. Own it!

Bodecea · 2019-01-07T23:54:13.572Z

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https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/424135-farm-aide-assistance-payments-delayed-due-to-shutdown-says-farm-bureau-director

here’s the real deal.

Trump started a bunch of trade wars simultaneously (with no good plan)
Farmers started getting pissed
Trump bribed them with taxpayer money (our money) so not to lose their support
Trump can’t look bad so he continues to push for a wall (instead of using a combination of technologies that will last longer) because he cares more about appearances and personal victories than better long term solutions
Farmers don’t get their welfare payments

he’s one messed up dude with bad credit.
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Too bad, isn’t it? Maybe they shouldn’t have put their “faith” in tiny trump.

ComfortablyNumb · 2019-01-07T23:54:38.407Z

FlameHeart:

Oh, so it was the Republicans’ fault, even when it was OBAMA who shut the government down?? Is that what you’re saying? Do you really have an argument of your own, or are you just a parrot for the MSM? Please get a new debate strategy.

Fascinating. You are clearly unfamiliar with what the 2013 Shutdown was all about. It’s not MSM parroting or whatever other nonsense you’re on about. Them are the facts baby. The GOP, via Ted Cruz and rallied by the Freedom Caucus caused the shutdown you’re now revising history about and trying to pin on Mr. Obama.

Bodecea · 2019-01-07T23:54:48.209Z

BabyBlue:

lulubee:

He should take the farmer’s welfare and pay for his wall - this being a national emergency and all.

And they are true patriots so won’t mind losing their livelihoods for the wall.

I’ve even seen some say that they’re willing to suffer for the sake of the country.

Name them.

Bodecea · 2019-01-07T23:55:48.240Z

FlameHeart:

I love how you guys act as if Trump is the only president in U.S. history who has shut down the government.

Remember in 2013, Obama shut down the WWII memorial, as well as several other monuments, to scare the public. Pretty much no one on the left made a peep. But you guys do you.

That was the Republicans. Remember Rape Face Cruz reading “Green Eggs and Ham”?

lulubee · 2019-01-08T00:01:23.021Z

A bunch of national parks out west (like Mt. Rainier for eg.) have had to close because no one is there to plow the roads of the heavy snow.

Here is a list of what’s shut down or working with skeleton staff as of yesterday.

cbsnews.com

What's closed during the partial government shutdown?

Nine out of 15 federal departments are closed, as well as dozens of agencies - here's the latest on what's open and closed in the government

FlameHeart · 2019-01-08T00:02:47.699Z

You’re trying to blame it on Republicans. Obama is the one who shut down the national monuments, and made sure the shutdown affected as many people as possible. At least Trump is taking responsibility for this shutdown.

FlameHeart · 2019-01-08T00:05:28.012Z

You also forget Obama’s veto threat.

ComfortablyNumb · 2019-01-08T00:05:32.598Z

FlameHeart:

You’re trying to blame it on Republicans. Obama is the one who shut down the national monuments, and made sure the shutdown affected as many people as possible. At least Trump is taking responsibility for this shutdown.

I’m not trying to do anything. These are just the facts and reality. I’d politely ask you not to revise history.

And LOL at “At least Trump is taking responsibility for this Shutdown.” Is this meant to be sarcasm? Because I don’t get it.

FlameHeart · 2019-01-08T00:06:03.600Z

No they are your perception of the events, not reality.

Apocalypto · 2019-01-08T00:10:23.231Z

You ready for some facts?

@politifact

PolitiFact - Obama 2013 and Trump 2018. Are the shutdowns the same? Not exactly

With no quick end to the recent federal government shutdown in sight, a Facebook post harking back to a 2013 shutdown un

A Facebook post said that Obama shut down the government in 2013 to force Obamacare. There are a couple of key differences between then and today.

First, leading Republicans, including Ryan, noted that Obamacare largely would move forward even if some elements were defunded. In that sense, Obama was not fighting to “force” Obamacare, because he didn’t need to.

Second, in 2013, two issues, Obamacare and the debt ceiling, were on the table. In 2018, funding for the wall stands alone. In 2013, a compromise on the debt ceiling cleared the way to reopen the government.

There is also a legal difference. In 2013, Obamacare was already law. Funding for the wall is not.

Axxowiz · 2019-01-08T00:10:41.805Z

You guys are democrats you love to redistribute wealth, just give a 1/4 of the 800,000 (non essential) government workers salaries to them that are paid with taxes, until this passes over.

ComfortablyNumb · 2019-01-08T00:13:11.672Z

FlameHeart:

No they are your perception of the events, not reality.

Fascinating. Lol

Nope. Objective reality. Do you seriously not remember Ted Cruz reading Dr. Seuss on the floor of the Senate?

The Republicans were throwing a temper tantrum because the ACA passed, and they needed a boogeyman to rile their base up with to try and reclaim more power in the 2014 midterms.

You remember that right? Obamacare?!?! Ooga Booga Booga! The GOP’s favorite thing to hate on to snooker their base for power. And when given power, their attempts to repeal the ACA went over as well as a wet fart in Church.

The GOP fully own the shutdown of 2013. They fully own the shutdown of 2018/2019. Feel free to post an actual shutdown that is owned by Democrats. I can think of at least one off the top of my head. 2013 ain’t it!

ohknow35 · 2019-01-08T01:10:35.772Z

Same people who are paying for illegals to have freebies. Just at a discount.

And same people who are forced to pay for obamacare for everyone who can’t afford it.

mobiusptc · 2019-01-08T01:12:31.522Z

so not mexico 100%?

https://twitter.com/keithboykin/status/949444933093613568

that doesnt jive

ohknow35 · 2019-01-08T02:04:47.534Z

I wasn’t in that crowd, and I’m not donald trump.

And I never believed mexico was gonna pay for it.

Build the wall.

hindsight · 2019-01-08T02:24:57.847Z

ohknow35:

I wasn’t in that crowd, and I’m not donald trump.

And I never believed mexico was gonna pay for it.

Build the wall.

Don’t want the wall unless Mexico pays for it, just like Donald Trump promised.