Show me the data!

JayJay · 2021-03-13T17:16:43.901Z

WuWei:

JayJay:

But that masks send people over the edge is amazing to me.

It’s a personal imposition.

Every law is a personal imposition.

And let’s not get started down this road that the Founders didn’t want laws.

WuWei · 2021-03-13T17:17:21.602Z

JayJay:

WuWei:

JayJay:

But that masks send people over the edge is amazing to me.

It’s a personal imposition.

Every law is a personal imposition.

And let’s not get started down this road that the Founders didn’t want laws.

No, not every law. I don’t have school age children.

altair1013 · 2021-03-13T17:17:53.449Z

WuWei:

I am opposed to government mandating pants.

There is no federal law requiring pants. The people of each state make that decision. As they should.

WuWei · 2021-03-13T17:17:54.138Z

JayJay:

And let’s not get started down this road that the Founders didn’t want laws.

Just can’t help it, can you?

WuWei · 2021-03-13T17:18:27.322Z

altair1013:

WuWei:

I am opposed to government mandating pants.

There is no federal law requiring pants. The people of each state make that decision. As they should.

Is there a federal law requiring masks?

JayJay · 2021-03-13T17:18:28.186Z

Every law is a personal imposition.

I want to be free to shoot and kill anyone I want and pay no government penalty.

It’s a personal imposition on me that there are laws against this.

JayJay · 2021-03-13T17:19:18.153Z

WuWei:

JayJay:

And let’s not get started down this road that the Founders didn’t want laws.

Just can’t help it, can you?

Pointing out logical inconsistencies in your own worldview?

No…I just can’t help it.

WuWei · 2021-03-13T17:19:28.923Z

JayJay:

Every law is a personal imposition.

I want to be free to shoot and kill anyone I want and pay no government penalty.

It’s a personal imposition on me that there are laws against this.

No, every law is not.

Argumentum ad absurdum. What’s next, suitcase nukes? Flamethrowers?

WuWei · 2021-03-13T17:19:57.620Z

JayJay:

WuWei:

JayJay:

And let’s not get started down this road that the Founders didn’t want laws.

Just can’t help it, can you?

Pointing out logical inconsistencies in your own worldview?

No…I just can’t help it.

Is that what that was?

altair1013 · 2021-03-13T17:20:21.839Z

JayJay:

No!

Underwear oppresses me!

Liberate the genitalia!

That would be something you should take up with your state and local officials. Or you can show off your short comings here.

Haulover Beach, Florida – America’s Best Clothing-Optional Beach

altair1013 · 2021-03-13T17:22:39.904Z

WuWei:

altair1013:

There is no federal law requiring pants. The people of each state make that decision. As they should.

Is there a federal law requiring masks?

No. Same as pants.

WuWei · 2021-03-13T17:23:23.563Z

So the argument won’t work. It’s counterfactual.

JayJay · 2021-03-13T17:23:24.438Z

WuWei:

JayJay:

Every law is a personal imposition.

I want to be free to shoot and kill anyone I want and pay no government penalty.

It’s a personal imposition on me that there are laws against this.

No, every law is not.

Argumentum ad absurdum. What’s next, suitcase nukes? Flamethrowers?

Yes…those are personal impositions.

They’re the government telling me I can’t have something I might want to have.

WuWei · 2021-03-13T17:24:30.221Z

JayJay:

WuWei:

JayJay:

Every law is a personal imposition.

I want to be free to shoot and kill anyone I want and pay no government penalty.

It’s a personal imposition on me that there are laws against this.

No, every law is not.

Argumentum ad absurdum. What’s next, suitcase nukes? Flamethrowers?

Yes…those are personal impositions.

They’re the government telling me I can’t have something I might want to have.

You can have a flamethrower. You can’t use it on other people.

I can have a mask, I can’t put it on other people.

JayJay · 2021-03-13T17:26:12.958Z

WuWei:

JayJay:

WuWei:

JayJay:

Every law is a personal imposition.

I want to be free to shoot and kill anyone I want and pay no government penalty.

It’s a personal imposition on me that there are laws against this.

No, every law is not.

Argumentum ad absurdum. What’s next, suitcase nukes? Flamethrowers?

Yes…those are personal impositions.

They’re the government telling me I can’t have something I might want to have.

You can have a flamethrower. You can’t use it on other people.

I can have a mask, I can’t put it on other people.

And that’s a personal imposition.

Let the other person stop me from using a flamethrower on them, not the government.

WuWei · 2021-03-13T17:28:37.859Z

JayJay:

Let the other person stop me from using a flamethrower on them, not the government.

The government won’t. It will just lock you up after you burn them.

DougBH · 2021-03-13T17:29:08.407Z

SpacemanSpiff:

DougBH:

If the vaccine does not significantly reduce the chances of spreading the virus, then why do they also tell us that everybody needs to take the vaccine for herd immunity to occur?
Those positions are contradictory.

Wow, really?

If you are vaccinated then YOU are the one protected from it affecting YOU. But even though you are protected virus can still survive in YOUR nasal cavities and still be expelled like it normally would, thus possibly infecting the non vaccinated. As of now this is what the science is pointing to. (Oooo, science, big scary stuff, right?)

Think of like this: Let’s say you’re wearing one of those gloves that covers your entire arm. And it’s 100% resistant to sulfuric acid. You’ve been recently working with sulfuric acid and you have it all over that glove. You then come up and shake hands with me, but I don’t have any kind of glove on. What do you think is gonna happen?

Ooooo. Some posters like to play Mr. Science.

The answer is the degree of reduction of transferability after vaccination is not yet known.

Can I still infect people with covid if I’ve been vaccinated? | MIT Technology Review

altair1013 · 2021-03-13T17:29:38.254Z

WuWei:

So the argument won’t work. It’s counterfactual.

I’m not making an argument. If these goofballs want to start an anti pants movement, I certainly will not try to stop it. Have at it guys!

Borgia_dude · 2021-03-13T19:23:58.478Z

biggestal99:

Borgia_dude:

Humans are notoriously bad at truly understanding the odds

Actually an individual human is bad at estimating odds.

However a group of human is much better at it.

Yes, I was thinking of individuals. Interesting data you mentioned about horse racing though.

WuWei · 2021-03-13T20:13:33.851Z

I deleted my 3 posts with my screwed up math for two reasons:

I’d hate for someone to think I was right and amplify it.
It’s embarrassing.