And everyone is to understand why the poster linked to that post?
JWK
There is no better way to weaken, destroy and subjugate a prosperous and freedom loving country than by importing the worldâs poverty stricken populations into that country and making the countryâs existing citizens tax-slaves to support the economic needs of such an invasion.
Yes,I havenât but breezed through the thread and I can tell you why they did that. They were simply referring to their earlier post because like usual you kept repeating yourself and they didnât feel like following suit.
Wrong. The poster in question wrote âBurke advocated for the literal importation as cargo of people with no skills beyond the most primitive hunter-gatherer societies.â And I repeatedly asked the poster to substantiate the claim and provide a link⌠Instead of substantiating the claim and providing a link, the poster repeatedly deflected and misdirected.
JWK
Getting back to the topic of the thread, should we unite illegal entrants on the other side of our border?
JWK
American citizens are sick and tired of being made into tax-slaves to finance the economic needs of millions of poverty stricken, poorly educated, low and unskilled aliens who have invaded Americaâs borders.
In the long run, immigrants are net positive when it comes to budgets and at the federal level cost cost a lot less than natives.
People across my state of New York, all across the country are furious with this administrationâs policy to separate children from their parents,â Gillibrand said.
Hah⌠what a lie. I live in New York and I know no one who is furious. I love the Trump presidency. The more libs lose their head, the more I love it.
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We are not talking about âimmigrantsâ. We are talking about a specifically defined group of foreigners who are invading our borders ___ the poverty stricken, poorly educated, low and unskilled populations of other countries. As soon as they set foot on American soil they immediately have their hand out for food, shelter, clothing, medical care, and other necessities of life which is financed by making American citizens tax-slaves to support this groupsâ economic needs.
JWK
American citizens are sick and tired of being made into tax-slaves to finance a maternity ward for the poverty stricken populations of other countries who invade Americaâs borders to give birth.
no one is concerned about âimmigrantsâ no more than they are about , say⌠electricity users or brewers. Now ILLEGAL immigrants or ILLEGAL electricity users or ILLEGAL brewers⌠different story. I know you want to deflect. sorry.
And what are the consequences of illegal entrants which are suffered by American citizens?
Let us take a look at the destructive social and economic consequences in just one county in California inflicted upon its citizens in 1995 when this massive invasion of our borders began to accelerate. CLICK HERE and scroll to page 93 for testimony given by JOAN ZINSER before the COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY, U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, DECEMBER 13, 1995
Good morning Chairman Smith and other honorable members of the Subcommittee on Immigration and Claims. I am Joan Zinser, Deputy Director of the San Diego County Department of Social Services. I direct the departmentâs Income Maintenance Bureau, which has responsibility for AFDC, Food Stamps and Medicaid eligibility determinations. I am here today to tell you about the effects of illegal immigration on the Countyâs assistance programs, and to present information regarding impacts on other county-funded services.
Impacts on San Diego County
In 1993, illegal aliens in San Diego County were estimated to be 7.9% of the population, or a total of almost 220,000 illegal aliens in a county with a population of slightly over 2 1/2 million. A 1993 Calffornia State Senate report estimated that the State, local governments - primarily the County - and schools incurred $304 million in costs to provide services to illegal aliens. These costs were offset by only $60 million in taxes generated by illegal aliens - leaving a net impact of $244 million.
Welfare Costs.
When a child is a US citizen, AFDC can be granted for the child but not the parent, if the parent is an undocumented immigrant. In 1992 there were 6,414 children born to undocumented immigrant parents in San Diego County hospitals. Each year, the illegal alien parents of nearly 2000 âcitizen childrenâ apply for and receive AFDC in San Diego County. The cumulative total of these âcitizen childâ cases continues to rise each year.
Public assistance is intended to support the citizen child, but is paid to the illegal alien parent and is, no doubt, used by the parent to support the entire family. Costs for providing AFDC to âcitizen childrenâ cases in San Diego totaled $37 million in 1993 for approximately 5430 AFDC cases.
Additional costs are incurred in Child Welfare Services. Combining costs for Out-of-Home and Family Maintenance services to families of illegal aliens results in an additional cost of $1.7 million.
Medicaid and Other Health-Related- Costs.
Medicaid services are an increasingly large portion of the costs involved in illegal immigration. In 1992, Medicaid paid for 6,414 births illegal alien mothers. Although studies have shown that illegal aliens use fewer Medicaid services than do the age-equivalent members of the general population, significant costs remain. Delivery costs are greater for babies with mothers lacking adequate prenatal care and many medical conditions are treated more cost-effectively in their early stages. Infectious diseases are also a major concern of the County. San Diego County has historically carried large costs because of illegal aliens with these problems. Costs associated with providing emergency and pregnancy related needs to illegal aliens are paid for under ârestricted Medi-Cal benefits.â During the 1992 calendar year, an estimated $37 million was paid for ârestricted Medi-Cal benefits.â Other costs, including uncompensated care in hospitals, community clinics, and other health services elevated the 1993 total costs to over $50 million.
Criminal justice.
A recent 90-day pilot project involved having INS Agents present in the county jails to interview those suspected of being an undocumented immigrant. Approximately 20% of the persons booked into the jails during that pilot were identified as being illegal aliens. With annual bookings of approximatel 105,000 persons a year, it is estimated that up to 21,000 were illegal aliens.
According to the San Diego County District Attorney, 8,521 felony crimes were committed by illegal aliens between 1987 and 1992. Illegal aliens commit an estimated 22% of felony crimes committed in the county. The number of misdemeanors committed during the same period in San Diego County by illegal aliens is estimated to be 17,000. In 1993, approximately 15. 1 % of the costs -accrued in dealing with crimes were spent on illegal aliens. Costs for illegal aliens to the legal system totaled $151 million in the County of San Diego for 1993.
Education.
Recently, a video of students crossing the border and getting on a school bus in San Diego County in order to receive free education was shown nationwide. Locally, we have worked to make sure that this situation does not recur, but education of the children of illegal aliens is also a significant CDSt. It is estimated that $60 million was spent in San Diego County in 1993 for education of illegal aliens.
And, more recently see:
Illegal aliens cost California billions
2004
âIllegal immigration costs the taxpayers of California â which has the highest number of illegal aliens nationwide â $10.5 billion a year for education, health care and incarceration, according to a study released yesterday.â
Also see: Testimony about â51 Florida Hospitals in troubleâ due to illegal aliens expenses:
Jun 10, 2008
âNo need to editorialize. Here is a sampling of the sort of facts the politicians and pro-illegal lobby want you to ignore, yet expect you to continue to bear the burden of. Is it any wonder scores of hospitals in border states and elsewhere have shut down or closed their ER units!!!â
Then take a look at Texas Faces Rising Cost For Illegal Immigrant Care
Aug 19, 2010
Texas spent at least $250 million in the past year for medical care and imprisonment of illegal immigrants and other non-citizens.
And how about this: The Fiscal Cost of Unlawful Immigrants and Amnesty to the U.S. Taxpayer
May 6, 2013
âIn 2010, the average unlawful immigrant household received around $24,721 in government benefits and services while paying some $10,334 in taxes. This generated an average annual fiscal deficit (benefits received minus taxes paid) of around $14,387 per household. This cost had to be borne by U.S. taxpayers. Amnesty would provide unlawful households with access to over 80 means-tested welfare programs, Obamacare, Social Security, and Medicare. The fiscal deficit for each household would soar.â
And how about the tens of thousands of criminal aliens released into our nationâs population? See: Judicial Watch: 165,900 Criminal Aliens into US Population Through April 2014
Mar 2015
âNearly 166,000 convicted criminal illegal aliens were released by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) as of April, 2014. This is the analysis of 76 pages of DHS documents obtained by Judicial Watch via Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests. The criminal illegal aliens include rapists, murderers and kidnappers.â
Now, the question is, why does our open border crowd not support an America first immigration policy which is merit based and forbids âimmigrantsâ from receiving government cheese for at least five years?
JWK
American citizens are sick and tired of being made into tax-slaves to finance a maternity ward for the poverty stricken populations of other countries who invade Americaâs borders to give birth.
I have some insight into Medicaid costs for illegals. Huge. It will break the bank. They are not healthy and not educated about how to stay healthy.
The cool thing is illegal immigrants are included in my statement.
These estimates imply that the total annual fiscal impact of first generation adults and their dependents, averaged across 2011-2013, is a cost of $57.4 billion, while second and third-plus generation adults create a benefit of $30.5 billion and $223.8 billion, respectively. By the second generation, descendants of immigrants are a net positive for the states as a whole, in large part because they have fewer children on average than do first generation adults and contribute more in tax revenues than they cost in terms of program expenditures. [1]
Note, this is inclusive of both legal and illegal immigrants.
Additionally, the Cato Institute released a study in May 2018 that concludes âthe per capita costs of providing welfare to immigrants is substantially less than the per capita cost of providing welfare to native-born Americansâ. [2]
right⌠it is how you mask the impact of the illegals. trickyâŚbut we are on to this trick. Might as well add people who are left handed and canât curl their tongue.
Yes.Â
And there are studies to the contrary!
For example see: Welfare Use by Immigrant Households with Children
Among the findings:
â˘In 2009 (based on data collected in 2010), 57 percent of households headed by an immigrant (legal and illegal) with children (under 18) used at least one welfare program, compared to 39 percent for native households with children.
â˘Households with children with the highest welfare use rates are those headed by immigrants from the Dominican Republic (82 percent), Mexico and Guatemala (75 percent), and Ecuador (70 percent). Those with the lowest use rates are from the United Kingdom (7 percent), India (19 percent), Canada (23 percent), and Korea (25 percent).
â˘High welfare use by immigrant-headed households with children is partly explained by the low education level of many immigrants. Of households headed by an immigrant who has not graduated high school, 80 percent access the welfare system, compared to 25 percent for those headed by an immigrant who has at least a bachelorâs degree.
â˘An unwillingness to work is not the reason immigrant welfare use is high. The vast majority (95 percent) of immigrant households with children had at least one worker in 2009. But their low education levels mean that more than half of these working immigrant households with children still accessed the welfare system during 2009.
In this discussion we are talking about the current invasion of illegal entrants from Central America who are poverty stricken, poorly educated, low and unskilled, and as soon as they set foot on American soil they immediately have their hand out for food, shelter, clothing, medical care, and other necessities of life which is financed by making American citizens tax-slaves to support this groupsâ economic needs.
Our Constitution delegates power to our federal government To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
As Commander in Chief, President Trump can exercise established emergency powers over our military and order them into action if, in his judgement, the common defense and general welfare of the United States are in jeopardy. In doing so, he must inform Congress within 48 hours of taking such action, and the troops cannot be committed for more than 60 days, unless Congress approves a longer time period. The President can also exercise an additional 30 days to re-deploy the troops.
Itâs time for President Trump to exercise his powers as Commander in Chief, and protect the United States and her citizens from this invasion by using force, if necessary, to prevent these invaders from setting foot on American soil, To not do so and allow these invaders to set foot upon US soil, which opens the door giving these invaders constitutional guarantees to remain in America while a legal process takes place, is tantamount to negligence and making American Citizens into tax-slaves to support the economic needs of these invaders.
Let us not forget those who now use children to gain entry into the United States, are the same notoriously evil type who used children to bomb our military personnel in Vietnam. Itâs time for our President to end this ongoing invasion at our borders!
JWK
There is no better way to weaken, destroy and subjugate a prosperous and freedom loving country than by importing the worldâs poverty stricken populations into that country and making the countryâs existing citizens tax-slaves to support the economic needs of such an invasion.
Yes to what?
JWK
If we can make 51 percent of Americaâs population dependent upon the federal government for its subsistence, we can then bribe them for their vote, keep ourselves in power and keep the remaining portion of Americaâs productive population enslaved to pay the bills ____ Our Fifth Column open border crowdâs long term strategy
To the question you asked in the post of yours that I replied to.
I have no idea which post you are referring to.
Well, adroit? Any response?
JWK
