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Estimates of, not hard numbers.

Estimates of excess deaths can provide information about the burden of mortality potentially related to the COVID-19 pandemic, including deaths that are directly or indirectly attributed to COVID-19. Excess deaths are typically defined as the difference between the observed numbers of deaths in specific time periods and expected numbers of deaths in the same time periods. This visualization provides weekly estimates of excess deaths by the jurisdiction in which the death occurred. Weekly counts of deaths are compared with historical trends to determine whether the number of deaths is significantly higher than expected.

Counts of deaths from all causes of death, including COVID-19, are presented. As some deaths due to COVID-19 may be assigned to other causes of deaths (for example, if COVID-19 was not diagnosed or not mentioned on the death certificate), tracking all-cause mortality can provide information about whether an excess number of deaths is observed, even when COVID-19 mortality may be undercounted. Additionally, deaths from all causes excluding COVID-19 were also estimated. Comparing these two sets of estimates — excess deaths with and without COVID-19 — can provide insight about how many excess deaths are identified as due to COVID-19, and how many excess deaths are reported as due to other causes of death. These deaths could represent misclassified COVID-19 deaths, or potentially could be indirectly related to the COVID-19 pandemic (e.g., deaths from other causes occurring in the context of health care shortages or overburdened health care systems).

As I said, we don’t actually have those numbers yet.

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Here in Oklahoma, at the moment, 1/17 people are getting COVID-19. I believe those were Texas’ stats this past summer. Two of the empty nester couples in our neighborhood have gotten it, both of my mom’s coworker’s kids have it, my Psychology professor had it over Christmas, my brother’s friend’s little brother had it and their mom didn’t tell the friend while knowing this, so the friend got it as well as the friend’s girlfriend, so brother had to eat outside on the porch over Thanksgiving.

It’s just awful.

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The percentages are based on the presence of antibodies; they do not necessarily mean that someone is protected. Previous work with SARS showed that vaccines can cause a dangerous autoimmune response to the virus:

These SARS-CoV vaccines all induced antibody and protection against infection with SARS-CoV. However, challenge of mice given any of the vaccines led to occurrence of Th2-type immunopathology suggesting hypersensitivity to SARS-CoV components was induced. Caution in proceeding to application of a SARS-CoV vaccine in humans is indicated.
Immunization with SARS coronavirus vaccines leads to pulmonary immunopathology on challenge with the SARS virus - PubMed (nih.gov)

Tests in the UK will see what happens when volunteers are exposed to the virus after vaccination:

The UK work is vitally important in my opinion. Otherwise we could vaccinate millions before we realize the vaccine increases the risk of serious complications or death.

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No significant adverse side effects have been shown to be associated with either of the two vaccines currently in broad distribution.

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The adverse affects may only be apparent after a vaccinated person is infected with the COVID virus. It takes several weeks after vaccination to develop the full level of antibodies, and it may take weeks or months more to then be exposed to the virus.

It could be several months before we can be sure what the response is.

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I’ve had the Rona. And for me, it was everything they said it would be. Two days of hell followed by 12 days of suck. With residual cough and low energy. The Rona is no joke.

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The trials have been ongoing now for six months. If there were significant issues they would have popped up.

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Looks like I wasn’t the only one pondering the one shot vaccine question.

The head of Ontario’s vaccine task force

“We can’t vaccinate people any faster than we can if we don’t have the vaccines to do it,” Hillier said, speaking during a Tuesday press conference.

“I’m not asking Health Canada to change the Moderna from a two-shot vaccine to a one-shot vaccine. What I’m asking is Health Canada have a look at doing that, and saying maybe with the high efficiency that protects you in the first needle, it would be best for the entire population if we went just with a one-shot vaccination program with Moderna. I asked them to have a look at that.”

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I’d still suggest going with a follow up when enough vaccine is available but getting everyone one dose first certainly makes the most sense.

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I don’t blame you, I am hoping as many people get vaccinated as fast as possible.

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Well, my wife and I are scheduled to receive our first COVID vaccine (Moderna) on January 20th. :+1:

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I see you have remained consistent. I respect that. :+1:

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The world was a different place when this thread was made.

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I try to be. Vaccines are personal choices.

I had no problems with my booster shot of Pfizer. I do wish the hold outs would take a jab, though, to minimize sickness.

In saying that the new Merck treatment looks very promising.

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