Samm
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No. You’d be insane, nobody will take anything you claim seriously.
But it behooves the govt to try and get the message across that you should get vaccinated.
If that costs money I am willing to pay for that message.
Allan
Nicely done.
Most people have their minds set. A message is only going to influence those on the fence, which is probably a scant few. So overall it will be a waste of money.
So instead of using cash to send a message, send a message by using cash. Nothing gets a message across better than a wad of cash. Non violently that is.
Bosun
84
No it does not at this point, my dear brother.
That word has already gotten out to anyone with half a brain.
My wife got the first Pfizer shot yesterday. No side effects so far.
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Samm
89
Yes it is.
US death rate in 2020 is 8.88/100,000, up 1.12% from 2019.
But:
2019 it was 8.782, up 1.12%
2018 it was 8.685, up 1.22%
2017 it was 8.58, up 1.24%
2016 it was 8.475, up 1.27%
2015 it was 8.369, up 1.27%
Trends are easy to ignore if you don’t look at them.
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conan
90
Yes…my search taken me there.
There is 330 million people in this country with aging population.
Logic would tell you even if average life span of 100 years you still have 3.3 million people dying each year…but since age of population isn’t evenly spread out yet. Thus the reason for lower deaths ATM.
conan
91
Maybe our residential science denier can better explain it. 
Snow96
92
I know 5 who have got it. 3 said no worse than the common cold. 1 said day 5 felt like they would die (by day 7 symtoms were going away). 5th one I havn’t had a chance to talk to, they were just diagnosed with it last week.
Samm
93
Yeah, our immediate circle is a pretty poor representation of what is going on.
As of 12/22 there have been 77,978,763 confirmed cases worldwide. There have been 56,523660 cases come to completion: 54,808,870 have recovered and 1,714790 have died. That puts the death rate of resolved cases (which is the proper way to calculate it) at 3.03%
In the US there have been 18,487,519 cases; 11,134,126 completed of which 10,807,172 have recovered and 326,954 have died. That puts the death rate in this country at 2.94% of resolved cases.
Of course that is of the total population. In my age group (65-74,) the death rate is more like 8-10% As of last October, 95% of deaths were among those Americans over age 50 in spite of only representing 35% of the cases.
JimmyC
94
There’s a huge disclaimer on that page. The 2020 number is a projection and did not take into account covid.
Samm
95
Good catch, but regardless, the recent trend in deaths per 100,000 has been increasing, and deaths in 2020 from causes other than COVID are down, ironically, probably because of COVID.
Axxowiz
96
Ponder on this question the AstraZeneca vaccine is about to be released, the preliminary data on it is pretty crappy compared to the other two out already at around 62% for two shots.
Would you rather have one shot of Moderna at 92.1% effective or two shots of AstraZeneca at 62% of course that number could change but I doubt it’s going to hit 92.1%? Even the CDC says the most important thing is to get the most people vaccinated with a vaccine with over 50% efficiency.
Also throwing this out there there is a profit question as well, this is the first drug Moderna has had approved, two shots is double the profit?
Since 80 percent of the fatalities are in nursing homes. I would expect a huge reduction in over all deaths after they have been vaccinated. We’ll see.
JimmyC
98
Deaths in 2020 from other causes are up above average. We should end the year with a 15% increase in the number of deaths as compared to last year.
JimmyC
99
When covid first hit there were a high amount of deaths not categorized as covid, which means that a lot of those deaths either were really covid or were triggered by covid.
That’s a whole lot of assumption there rather than actual verifiable facts.
