Should We Leave NATO?

[tnt]

@TheRedComet

It would be a 180 change. But it’s one that I feel is warranted.

We should have never made our Allies so dependent on us. We did them a disservice.

But we did ourselves - and the world - a service.

Let me ask the question this way - why do you want Italy or Germany to have a larger military, but not Iran?

[TommyLucchese]

@tnt

I haven’t heard back on this point. Maybe you will.

You can’t let logic or facts get in the way of “trading partners don’t fight” because it instantly falls apart after a five minute look at history.

[TheRedComet]

That’s a bridge we will have to cross later.

Right now, the SCO alliance system is our adversary.

[tnt]

@TheRedComet

We also need to build stronger relationships in Southeast Asia. We have built a surprisingly strong relationship with Vietnam, but we need to get the rest firmly into our camp. We all have a mutual adversary in China, the dominant member of the SCO and the one who dictates its policy.

We had that going with the TPP.

[TheRedComet]

So that the burden of defending the West and her Allies in Asia isn’t solely on us. We all have skin in this game. The SCO is going to challenge us both militarily and economically.

Iran is firmly in camp SCO. They are an adversary.

[tnt]

@TheRedComet

That’s a bridge we will have to cross later.

Right now, the SCO alliance system is our adversary.

What is SCO?

Why set ourselves up for a future war? Why not just do the work ourselves in exchange for countries with whom we will never need to fight.

[biggestal99]

@JayJay

Russia is a bad actor. How do you propose to deal with that and making them a trading partner?

Interfering in our elections for one.

Why should it be business as usual when obviously Russia is interfering.

Allan

[TheRedComet]

I didn’t support us abandoning the TPP. It was Trump’s largest mistake in my opinion.

I’m actually much closer to your (collectively speaking) position on many of these foreign policy situations. I had many issues with how Trump performed his foreign policy.

[TheRedComet]

Shanghai Cooperation Organization. It’s been a thing since the late 1990s. China and Russia are the most important members, but most of the former eastern and southeastern Soviet states are members and they have built out strong relations in the Middle East and in Africa. Thanks to the Chinese, they are now making inroads in South America.

On paper it is primarily an economic alliance. But it also has a military advisory wing that has been expanded in recent years.

The eventual goal of SCO is to challenge the United States economic and military alliance systems we built after WWII and solidified after the fall of the Soviet Union. To provide an alternative for uncommitted third world and second world nations.

Basically, the SCO nations altogether are the replacement for the USSR in a bipolar system.

[tnt]

@TheRedComet

I didn’t support us abandoning the TPP. It was Trump’s largest mistake in my opinion.

I’m actually much closer to your (collectively speaking) position on many of these foreign policy situations. I had many issues with how Trump performed his foreign policy.

Yeah, that was a huge blunder.

[Supreme_War_Pig]

@TheRedComet

@Supreme_War_Pig

@TheRedComet

I know. And I personally feel that it was a mistake to go down that route.

But that’s one of those aspects of US policy that has to catch up with the new bipolar world that is coming into being.

Europe, especially Germany, and Japan are going to have to expand their militaries.

We, as in the cultural west and our Allies like Japan and South Korea, are going to have to stand unified against the SCO.

Okay, but this bi-polar realignment of yours can be broadly described as Democracy V. Authoritarianism, and Europe is democratic bulwark against authoritarians in the former Soviet Union, as well as North Africa and the Middle East

The Europeans are a part the cultural west I spoke of.

We also need to court India into our camp. They are a member of the SCO, but they have severe relationship problems with China. They’ve fought more than one border conflict.

We also need to build stronger relationships in Southeast Asia. We have built a surprisingly strong relationship with Vietnam, but we need to get the rest firmly into our camp. We all have a mutual adversary in China, the dominant member of the SCO and the one who dictates its policy.

Exactly. This line of thinking is the reason for Obama’s much-derided “pivot to China”.

[conan]

Did you type that out with straight face? Your government were arresting peaceful demonstrators against mandatory vaccine, arresting people for going to church, arresting people without mask etc. You think your government is any better?

Is Putin freezing them out of their bank accounts like your government did?

[Supreme_War_Pig]

@tnt

Why set ourselves up for a future war?

Sī vīs pācem, parā bellum

If you want peace, prepare for war

[conan]

making ■■■■ up again?

[Supreme_War_Pig]

@conan

Did you type that out with straight face? Your government were arresting peaceful demonstrators against mandatory vaccine, arresting people for going to church, arresting people without mask etc. You think your government is any better?

Is Putin freezing them out of their bank accounts like your government did?

Yeah, so that didn’t happen.

[conan]

@tnt

Because China’s interests are aligned with Russia in many ways, so they would be an ineffective counterbalance to Russia.

Who told you this? China is actually Russia greatest threat…long term. Hell they even said that couple decades ago. They have resources that China wants.

[conan]

They resent American influence.

[Guntsu]

@conan

Did you type that out with straight face? Your government were arresting peaceful demonstrators against mandatory vaccine, arresting people for going to church, arresting people without mask etc. You think your government is any better?

Is Putin freezing them out of their bank accounts like your government did?

This is what I am talking about… is the Canadian government better then Russia’s?

Absolutely no question they don’t even compare.

[WuWei]

@tnt

@WuWei

No.
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Who controls NATO IYO?

EU.

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[WuWei]

@CanadianJudo

France, UK,