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Of the many reasons I wouldn’t vote for Trump in 2024 (at this point, I think he’s running), here’s one: his inclination to leave (and therefore end) NATO. This is based on his own claims, accounts of his advisors, even NATO allies themselves.

If you think this was all a bluff on his part, and he had no intention of leaving, fine. If you think all the speculation from his advisors (and people like John Bolton) is ■■■■■■■■■ that’s fine, too. I am not interested in debating reality. Here’s what I am interested in:

If Trump is elected, and decides to pull the US out of NATO, will you support the move?

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Meh. We no longer lead the world anyway and we certainly don’t want to be the world police, right folks?

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Yes. Trade and commerce with all, entangling alliances with none.

Deploying the military should be on a case by case basis. Not an obligation.

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The EU has led the way in Ukraine.

Do they need the USA?

Maybe China would be a better partner.

Trump was successful in getting NATO partners to better meet the 2% fiscal commitment.

The issue looks to be where and how the NATO and EU border meets Russia.

The US and China can be moderators while those stake holders figure out a permanent solution.

The Baltic states should be ■■■■■■■■ themselves right now, not US.

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Yes!!!. I’m firm believer that EU and idiots in NATO fallen for EU expansionism that directly caused the war in Ukraine.

Just as I’ve been warning about…even before Trump.

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Baltic states should have remained neutral.

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NATO should have ended once it was clear the Eastern Block and USSR couldn’t reform.

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For the US?

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No…EU. Maybe even NATO…partner with the CCP nuclear umbrella.

The US can keep North and South America under ours.

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We Rely on early warning sites in Europe as part of our nuclear umbrella.

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We have satellites now.

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Glad I posted this thread. Informative.

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We also have an astronaut in the ISS with a pair of very powerful binoculars keeping an eye on the Ukraine War.

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That doesn’t change anything I just said.

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Hear, hear!

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If that’s the potential to actually be a good thread.

The world order is changing. What should be the United States’ Grand strategic concept for the new world order that is forming?

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For that luxury we allow them to expand at our expense?

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I made no such comment. I simply pointed out that we have early warning stations in Europe upon which are nuclear umbrella depends.

This has the potential to be a really good discussion, but people should try hard to keep their personal emotions out of it.

Things are as they are, regardless of how one personally feels about it.

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Trading partners with Russia and Europe instead of making one as our enemy.

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Russia is a bad actor. How do you propose to deal with that and making them a trading partner?

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