Should the President suspend habeas corpus and arrest those invading our borders?

[Borgia_dude]

@johnwk2

@Borgia_dude

@johnwk2

@Borgia_dude

@johnwk2

@Borgia_dude

@johnwk2

But tell me, why, when we have almost 50 percent of American citizens receiving some form of welfare, why on earth should we open our borders to tens of thousands more poverty stricken, poorly educated, low skilled foreigners who will immediately be receiving some form of taxpayer financed welfare?

Here you go, John. You said 50% of citizens receive some form of welfare. It has been pointed out to you that to get to 50% you must include social security and Medicare.

You responded numerous times since then without amending your post’s language. So I figured you stood by it which means you consider medicare and social security to be a form of welfare. If you didn’t, you would retract and rephrase your post using the 50% statistic.

Hope this helps jog your memory.

You stated that I consider “social security to be govt welfare.”

Post your evidence I made such a statement or remove you insulting assertion.

It was inferred since the 50% you quoted includes those receiving SSI and Medicare.

You can, of course, simply retract the 50% and put in the number that does not include SSI and Medicare.

Nothing was “inferred”. You have refused to post my words confirming I consider “social security to be govt welfare”, which is what you stated. This is the last time I ask you to remove that insulting comment.

JWK

The 50% you quoted as receiving govt handouts included SSI recipients and Medicare recipients in order to get to the 50%. You can modify your statement to disclude them to conform to your feelings about SSI and Medicare. I will wait.

And you don’t get to tell me what I infer. You can say it was an improper inference from your point of view.

But I do get to tell you, your are absolutely wrong.

Getting back to the subject, I’m glad to see President Trump has declared an emergency, which in turn gives him access to additional funds.

JWK

Illegal immigration is now costing American citizens over $18 billion a year in healthcare costs alone! Far more than the measly $5.7 billion asked for to build a wall! LINK

You seem immune to data and evidence. You have provided no evidence to counter mine where I showed you that your 50% included SSI recipients.

Further, you don’t seem to understand what “infer” means. You can’t honestly tell people what they infer or do not infer unless you can read minds.

[johnwk2]

@Borgia_dude

@johnwk2

@Borgia_dude

@johnwk2

@Borgia_dude

@johnwk2

@Borgia_dude

@johnwk2

But tell me, why, when we have almost 50 percent of American citizens receiving some form of welfare, why on earth should we open our borders to tens of thousands more poverty stricken, poorly educated, low skilled foreigners who will immediately be receiving some form of taxpayer financed welfare?

Here you go, John. You said 50% of citizens receive some form of welfare. It has been pointed out to you that to get to 50% you must include social security and Medicare.

You responded numerous times since then without amending your post’s language. So I figured you stood by it which means you consider medicare and social security to be a form of welfare. If you didn’t, you would retract and rephrase your post using the 50% statistic.

Hope this helps jog your memory.

You stated that I consider “social security to be govt welfare.”

Post your evidence I made such a statement or remove you insulting assertion.

It was inferred since the 50% you quoted includes those receiving SSI and Medicare.

You can, of course, simply retract the 50% and put in the number that does not include SSI and Medicare.

Nothing was “inferred”. You have refused to post my words confirming I consider “social security to be govt welfare”, which is what you stated. This is the last time I ask you to remove that insulting comment.

JWK

The 50% you quoted as receiving govt handouts included SSI recipients and Medicare recipients in order to get to the 50%. You can modify your statement to disclude them to conform to your feelings about SSI and Medicare. I will wait.

And you don’t get to tell me what I infer. You can say it was an improper inference from your point of view.

But I do get to tell you, your are absolutely wrong.

Getting back to the subject, I’m glad to see President Trump has declared an emergency, which in turn gives him access to additional funds.

JWK

Illegal immigration is now costing American citizens over $18 billion a year in healthcare costs alone! Far more than the measly $5.7 billion asked for to build a wall! LINK

You seem immune to data and evidence. You have provided no evidence to counter mine where I showed you that your 50% included SSI recipients.

Further, you don’t seem to understand what “infer” means. You can’t honestly tell people what they infer or do not infer unless you can read minds.

So now you are saying you can read minds? You did write:

“It was inferred since the 50% you quoted includes those receiving SSI and Medicare”

JWK

There is no surer way to weaken, subdue, demoralize and then conquer a prosperous and freedom loving people than by allowing and encouraging the poverty stricken, poorly educated, low-skilled, criminal and diseased populations of other countries to invade that country, and make the country’s existing citizens tax-slaves to support the economic needs of such invaders.

[Borgia_dude]

@johnwk2

So now you are saying you can read minds? You did write:

“It was inferred since the 50% you quoted includes those receiving SSI and Medicare”

Yes, I inferred it that when you said “50% on govt assistance” and the link said that to get to 50% SSI recipients were included. I inferred that you equated SSI as being on govt assistance.

You are free to show that your 50% does not include SSI as a cause for them being included which would show my inference to be wrong. But you haven’t shown any evidence yet.

[johnwk2]

@Borgia_dude

@johnwk2

So now you are saying you can read minds? You did write:

“It was inferred since the 50% you quoted includes those receiving SSI and Medicare”

Yes, I inferred it that when you said “50% on govt assistance” and the link said that to get to 50% SSI recipients were included. I inferred that you equated SSI as being on govt assistance.

You are free to show that your 50% does not include SSI as a cause for them being included which would show my inference to be wrong. But you haven’t shown any evidence yet.

Apples and oranges dude! While figures may arguably be in contention, there is no reasonable inference that I see Social Security as being "welfare".

JWK

It was 2019 when an ongoing invasion of America’s borders swelled to tens of thousands a month, not a shot was fired to defend the borders of the United States, and America’s domestic enemies, many socialists and communists in Congress, pushed forward with their attempt in conquering a prosperous and freedom loving people.

[wonderingrover]

Just wanted to check in and see how everyone is surviving this invasion. I think I just saw a convoy of tanks filled with illegals last night. Of course, I didn’t see who was inside, but I’ve been told right here that illegals are “invading,” so it must be true.

[Bodecea]

@dantes

How is it a distraction? The country is doing great.

How about violent crime? How can our country be devestated when violent crime is at historic lows?

When you compare reality to rhetoric. Your rhetoric doesn’t stand up very well.

Well…there IS all those elementary school kids rampaging thru public restrooms with their graffiti.

[wonderingrover]

@Bodecea

@dantes

How is it a distraction? The country is doing great.

How about violent crime? How can our country be devestated when violent crime is at historic lows?

When you compare reality to rhetoric. Your rhetoric doesn’t stand up very well.

Well…there IS all those elementary school kids rampaging thru public restrooms with their graffiti.

Damn kids - they’re probably all communists.

[Borgia_dude]

@johnwk2

Apples and oranges dude! While figures may arguably be in contention, there is no reasonable inference that I see Social Security as being “welfare”.

Fair enough. We agree that SSI is not govt handouts. So that means your 50% number is wrong. Let’s just leave it at that.

[Borgia_dude]

@johnwk2

we have almost 50 percent of American citizens receiving some form of welfare,

This was what started this. Glad we agree that SSI recipients shouldn’t be included in that 50 percent.

[Bodecea]

@Borgia_dude

@johnwk2

Apples and oranges dude! While figures may arguably be in contention, there is no reasonable inference that I see Social Security as being “welfare”.

Fair enough. We agree that SSI is not govt handouts. So that means your 50% number is wrong. Let’s just leave it at that.

[johnwk2]

@Borgia_dude

@johnwk2

Apples and oranges dude! While figures may arguably be in contention, there is no reasonable inference that I see Social Security as being “welfare”.

Fair enough. We agree that SSI is not govt handouts. So that means your 50% number is wrong. Let’s just leave it at that.

No. How many people get the earned income tax credit which in reality is a form welfare?

JWK

Illegal immigration is now costing American citizens over $18 billion a year in healthcare costs alone! Far more than the measly $5.7 billion asked for to build a wall! LINK

[Borgia_dude]

@johnwk2

@Borgia_dude

@johnwk2

Apples and oranges dude! While figures may arguably be in contention, there is no reasonable inference that I see Social Security as being “welfare”.

Fair enough. We agree that SSI is not govt handouts. So that means your 50% number is wrong. Let’s just leave it at that.

No. How many people get the earned income tax credit which in reality is a form welfare?

But we agree ssi is not govt welfare. I have no idea on eic or if it was included in the 50%. You’ll have to research and come back to us. Until then, it is just an assertion.

[WildRose]

There’s no need or reason to suspend HC to arrest anyone illegally entering the US.

What needs to be done is to start arresting the public officials acting to aid and abet them.

[johnwk2]

@Borgia_dude

@johnwk2

@Borgia_dude

@johnwk2

Apples and oranges dude! While figures may arguably be in contention, there is no reasonable inference that I see Social Security as being “welfare”.

Fair enough. We agree that SSI is not govt handouts. So that means your 50% number is wrong. Let’s just leave it at that.

No. How many people get the earned income tax credit which in reality is a form welfare?

But we agree ssi is not govt welfare. I have no idea on eic or if it was included in the 50%. You’ll have to research and come back to us. Until then, it is just an assertion.

Well then, it is you who needs to research how many people get the earned income tax credit which in reality is a form welfare.

JWK

Karl Marx popularized the word “capitalism” __ a word unknown to our founders’ __ to attack the free market system our founders created. Why do so many talking heads refer to our system as “capitalism” rather than a free market system which our founders created? Do they fear and recoil from the word “free’ like Marx did?

[Borgia_dude]

@johnwk2

Well then, it is you who needs to research how many people get the earned income tax credit which in reality is a form welfare.

I’m not the one making the 50% claim. You did. And it was shown that the “nearly 50% of Americans” are getting govt handouts” included SSI recipients to get the total up to 50%. If you want to include EIC recipients to get back to the 50% claim then you need to back it up. Until then, you are just guessing.

So until you back it up, your 50% claim is not accepted.

[johnwk2]

@Borgia_dude

@johnwk2

Well then, it is you who needs to research how many people get the earned income tax credit which in reality is a form welfare.

I’m not the one making the 50% claim. You did. And it was shown that the “nearly 50% of Americans” are getting govt handouts” included SSI recipients to get the total up to 50%. If you want to include EIC recipients to get back to the 50% claim then you need to back it up. Until then, you are just guessing.

So until you back it up, your 50% claim is not accepted.

You never answered the question. How many people get the earned income tax credit which in reality is a form welfare?

JWK

[Bodecea]

@WildRose

There’s no need or reason to suspend HC to arrest anyone illegally entering the US.

What needs to be done is to start arresting the public officials acting to aid and abet them.

Actually, it is much more effective to arrest and/or heavily fine those businesses that hire them.

[Bodecea]

@Borgia_dude

@johnwk2

Well then, it is you who needs to research how many people get the earned income tax credit which in reality is a form welfare.

I’m not the one making the 50% claim. You did. And it was shown that the “nearly 50% of Americans” are getting govt handouts” included SSI recipients to get the total up to 50%. If you want to include EIC recipients to get back to the 50% claim then you need to back it up. Until then, you are just guessing.

So until you back it up, your 50% claim is not accepted.

I bet he counts veterans receiving our retirements in that 50% as if we are getting “hand-outs” too.

[Borgia_dude]

@johnwk2

You never answered the question. How many people get the earned income tax credit which in reality is a form welfare?

Pretty sure it is your job to support your claim. Now you are claiming they are part of the 50% so you should already know how many there are if you think they get you back up to 50%.

Or are you just flailing about trying to salvage your point? I’m guessing that’s the case.

But I’m a magnimonious guy. According to Google, about 26M filed for EITC in 2016. That’s about 8% of the population. Now, you may think you can just add those in but you can’t because you would certainly be double counting a good part of that.

Here is a reminder of the post that took apart your 50% claim:

@AmusedObserver

The most recent study I found puts the number at 21.8%, which according to my math is somewhat less than 50%. You’re not trying to sneak in seniors getting Social Security as “free cheese eaters” again , are you?

Note that 21.8%. Even if you add in EVERY EITC recipient and ignore all the double counting that would only get you to 29.8% which is still substantively less than the 50% you quoted.

[johnwk2]

@Bodecea

@Borgia_dude

@johnwk2

Well then, it is you who needs to research how many people get the earned income tax credit which in reality is a form welfare.

I’m not the one making the 50% claim. You did. And it was shown that the “nearly 50% of Americans” are getting govt handouts” included SSI recipients to get the total up to 50%. If you want to include EIC recipients to get back to the 50% claim then you need to back it up. Until then, you are just guessing.

So until you back it up, your 50% claim is not accepted.

I bet he counts veterans receiving our retirements in that 50% as if we are getting “hand-outs” too.

That is one of the most insulting remarks you have made. By the terms of our Constitution, our federal government is charged with raising and supporting armies, and with that obligation comes a duty to take care of our vets. To the contrary, there is no grant of power in our federal Constitution authorizing Congress to provide welfare, or any form of financial aid to a State’s citizens.

JWK

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez claims to be an advocate of hard working people living in the Bronx. If that is so, why is she not advocating an end to the unconstitutional “Temporary Victory Tax” of 1943, which began federal confiscation of the bread which working people have earned from the sweat of their labor?