Should mt rushmore be removed?

[SixFoot]

@kermode

No. He tried to defend his sovereign nation against foreign invaders.

Fair enough. Thankfully, he and his people lost.

[moonshine]

@conan

Who land is your hose on?

like ive said in this thread. we arent talkign about taking ANY private property. only government owned land

[SixFoot]

@conan

Who land is your hose on?

The answer is government property, because all home “owners” pay rent on it every year.

[Konssurvative1]

And I want to just add…We have always known certain founding fathers were also slave owners. This is a national monument, a work of art, an example of serious ingenuity, and it is something that should be seen, treasured, and kept for as long as the damn thing will stand. Hopefully forever.

Pump the breaks…

[kermode]

For the record, I don’t support tearing down Mt Rushmore. I don’t support tearing down or vandalizing any statues or monuments including Confederate ones when it’s done illegally.

[SixFoot]

Understood. As you can see, the current crusade from the left has people more and more unwilling to hear even the less radical requests/demands/arguments at this point.

This all started from a point of vast intercultural agreement over police brutality. It’s never enough for these increasingly radical types. They ruin everything.

[TheRedComet]

Yes. They should be removed. I’ve supported their removal for years, even back on the old board.

[WuWei]

@kermode

@WuWei

Why would I read about a traitor who fought against his country?

He was never a U.S. citizen.

DACA

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[WuWei]

@kermode

No. He tried to defend his sovereign nation against foreign invaders.
Same as the defenders of Wake Island.

Yep our Founding Fathers were insurgents/rebels/traitors against their country.
They became Patriots when they established their own sovereign nation.

Same as the citizens of the secession states and the CSA.

[kermode]

@WuWei

DACA

Dallas Arms Collectors Association?

[kermode]

@WuWei

Same as the citizens of the secession states and the CSA.

Yep, they were insurgents/rebels/traitors.
If they had won they’d be patriots.

[AZslim]

@Rodeo

@AZslim

Who could argue with a mature, thoughtful and well reasoned post like this?

Dude…you actually argued that funding for the maintenance of one of the most beautiful monuments to the greatness of this country be ended and that monument be allowed to fall apart…

I pointed out what I believe to be the pure foolishness of that position…

And you have the nerve to offer snark about my
“mature, thoughtful and well reasoned” comment.

Just let that one sink in…

I gave my opinion and you responded with a childish reply including name calling and now you are incensed with my answer.

Interesting, entertaining and amusing.

[WuWei]

@kermode

@WuWei

Same as the citizens of the secession states and the CSA.

Yep, they were insurgents/rebels/traitors.
If they had won they’d be patriots.

Like the sioux indians.

[kermode]

@WuWei

Like the sioux indians.

Not like.
Incorrect analogy.

[thinkingman]

@moonshine

are any on those on land stolen by the government?

everyone alive (and dead) is on land that at some point was “stolen” at least once and maybe several times

[CanadianJudo]

Isnt trump having large firework there, maybe he will burn it down

[WuWei]

@kermode

@WuWei

Like the sioux indians.

Not like.
Incorrect analogy.

No, it’s accurate. And they fought on the side of the confederacy.

[SixFoot]

@CanadianJudo

Isnt trump having large firework there, maybe he will burn it down

This is why Canada doesn’t matter when it comes to wars anymore.

[Samson_Corwell]

@moonshine

the land the monument is on was granted to the sious tribe in 18698 in perpetuity
that only lasted until gold was discovered in the 1870’s and the US took the mountain back in 1876
the sioux still consider the black hills sacred ground
the sculptor was a kkk member

The sculptor may have been a Klansman, but the work is not like Birth of a Nation.

[kermode]

@WuWei

No, it’s accurate. And they fought on the side of the confederacy.

Throughout this thread I’ve been specifically referring to individuals or tribes covered by the Treaty of 1868.
So no, not accurate.