Should Baldwin be charged?

[Striker840]

@Jezcoe

@zantax

As I pointed out, Baldwin may have had training instructing him to always have whoever hands it to him show him personally that it isn’t loaded with live rounds. If he went ahead anyway and had that training…

Baldwin has probably had some sort of firearms training. I think he has been in situation on film where he has fired a weapon before.

He could also have taken the word of the AD because a lot of times that is how it works.

I don’t see him at fault in his role of an actor. That would fall on the Armorer, the AD and whoever the sociopath was that had live rounds on that set.

Baldwin as a producer holds responsibility.

I know that it is weird thing to parse out… but remember… I work in the industry and there is a wide gulf between what people say they should be doing and what actually happens on set.

Doesn’t excuse him in my opinion.
An actor should be required to physically check if a firearm is loaded or unloaded in front of a witness as soon as they are handed a firearm.

A 2 second check would have prevented this tragedy, 2 damn seconds. Pop the cylinder, see the round in there, empty said cylinder then fire the armorour who handed you the loaded firearm.

[conan]

Of course…you’re so much smarter then me.

[zantax]

@Striker840

@Jezcoe

@zantax

As I pointed out, Baldwin may have had training instructing him to always have whoever hands it to him show him personally that it isn’t loaded with live rounds. If he went ahead anyway and had that training…

Baldwin has probably had some sort of firearms training. I think he has been in situation on film where he has fired a weapon before.

He could also have taken the word of the AD because a lot of times that is how it works.

I don’t see him at fault in his role of an actor. That would fall on the Armorer, the AD and whoever the sociopath was that had live rounds on that set.

Baldwin as a producer holds responsibility.

I know that it is weird thing to parse out… but remember… I work in the industry and there is a wide gulf between what people say they should be doing and what actually happens on set.

Doesn’t excuse him in my opinion.
An actor should be required to physically check if a firearm is loaded or unloaded in front of a witness as soon as they are handed a firearm.

A 2 second check would have prevented this tragedy, 2 damn seconds. Pop the cylinder, see the round in there, empty said cylinder then fire the armorour who handed you the loaded firearm.

And that is usually how it’s done.

[Striker840]

@Jezcoe

@TheDoctorIsIn

I would guess that as a producer, Baldwin has significant civil liability.

But it’s very unlikely he has any criminal liability.

Yep… I would place him into having civil liability. Criminal… not so much.

The last big story where a crew member got killed was Sarah Jones. That was absolute negligence and people went to jail for that.

You will still see “Safety for Sarah” on sets even though safety on sets is like the last thing people are concerned with.

Maybe, MAYBE this will change their entitled, selfish minds.
Doubt it, but one can hope.

[conan]

Fact is Baldwin failed one of most simplest safety checks their is concerning a firearm. There is no way to explain it otherwise.

[TheDoctorIsIn]

@Striker840

A 2 second check would have prevented this tragedy, 2 damn seconds. Pop the cylinder, see the round in there, empty said cylinder then fire the armorour who handed you the loaded firearm.

There were clearly many steps that should have been taken - all of which would have prevented this tragedy.

But that doesn’t change how criminal laws work.

[Sknyluv]

@zantax

Why do you say that? Am I taking it personally every time I note someone behaving in a disgusting manner?

You didn’t start this thread, in part, because you don’t like Baldwin?

[Jezcoe]

@Striker840

@Jezcoe

@TheDoctorIsIn

I would guess that as a producer, Baldwin has significant civil liability.

But it’s very unlikely he has any criminal liability.

Yep… I would place him into having civil liability. Criminal… not so much.

The last big story where a crew member got killed was Sarah Jones. That was absolute negligence and people went to jail for that.

You will still see “Safety for Sarah” on sets even though safety on sets is like the last thing people are concerned with.

Maybe, MAYBE this will change their entitled, selfish minds.
Doubt it, but one can hope.

It won’t.

Quite a good number of people in my industry die from falling asleep at the wheel because of lack of adequate rest.

It was one of the issues that people were going to strike about.

That barely got addressed in the contract negotiations.

People never matter. Money does.

[Striker840]

@Jezcoe

@zantax

@TheDoctorIsIn

@zantax

Why would I yell at family? I’m not an emotional teen, I don’t need to yell to make a point. And I sure as hell wouldn’t call my 11 year old daughter a pig.

Yes, yes. We know. You believe you’re very virtuous, and you believe Alec Baldwin is inhuman and feels no emotion.

What does that have to do with your thread, other than to point out your biased mind-set in starting it?

My motive for starting it was reading a newspaper article about a man shooting a woman and facing no charges as of yet. Doesn’t matter that I think he’s scum.

I doubt that he will face charges.

Of course not, he is white, rich, and famous…

Oh wait…isn’t that the EXACT same scenario that the left raises hell about???
Rich white man gets away with a crime BECAUSE he is rich and white.
Or is it because the victim was a white woman that the left doesn’t care if he isn’t charged.

Help a guy out here.

[Jezcoe]

@Striker840

@Jezcoe

@zantax

@TheDoctorIsIn

@zantax

Why would I yell at family? I’m not an emotional teen, I don’t need to yell to make a point. And I sure as hell wouldn’t call my 11 year old daughter a pig.

Yes, yes. We know. You believe you’re very virtuous, and you believe Alec Baldwin is inhuman and feels no emotion.

What does that have to do with your thread, other than to point out your biased mind-set in starting it?

My motive for starting it was reading a newspaper article about a man shooting a woman and facing no charges as of yet. Doesn’t matter that I think he’s scum.

I doubt that he will face charges.

Of course not, he is white, rich, and famous…

Oh wait…isn’t that the EXACT same scenario that the left raises hell about???
Rich white man gets away with a crime BECAUSE he is rich and white.
Or is it because the victim was a white woman that the left doesn’t care if he isn’t charged.

Help a guy out here.

All of those things are dumb and made up.

[TheDoctorIsIn]

From all available evidence, no crime was committed.

All the populism nonsense is just silly.

[e7alr]

When in doubt go to the law. Involuntary manslaughter under New Mexico Law link attached. 30-2-3 (B) applies. "Involuntary manslaughter consists of manslaughter committed in the commission of an unlawful act not amounting to felony, or in the commission of a lawful act which might produce death in an unlawful manner or without due caution and circumspection.

https://law.justia.com/codes/new-mexico/2011/chapter30/article2/section30-2-3/

[Striker840]

@Jezcoe

@zantax

@TheDoctorIsIn

@zantax

Is that what populism is?

Populism is whining about it.

@zantax

Not wanting two standards of justice? Ok, sign me up.

There will always be two standards of justice - one for people with money, and one for people without. That’s just how it works.

But this isn’t even an example of that.

Sure it is, how much money do films bring to New Mexico?

Rust was such a low budget movie that it was barely a blip.

The question wasn’t about one movie, but movies being filmed in general. Didn’t someone earlier in this thread comment he wouldn’t be charged because it might cause people to reconsider filming in New Mexico??

[TheDoctorIsIn]

I posted that a few hours ago.

Legally, what caution do you think was due?

[TheDoctorIsIn]

@Striker840

Didn’t someone earlier in this thread comment he wouldn’t be charged because it might cause people to reconsider filming in New Mexico??

Yes, someone did make that asinine argument.

Why would it?

[Striker840]

@TheDoctorIsIn

@zantax

We have people in this thread asserting he should not be charged even if he was specifically trained to follow a procedure he did not follow and was informed of the dangers of not doing so.

No, we have people in this thread asserting that the currently available evidence does not suggest that Alec Baldwin broke the law. Which is accurate.

And then we have people creating speculative narratives to “prove” his guilt, ranting about him being mean to his daughter, and endless whining about how unfair it is that he isn’t being charged.

WOW the disconnect here is amazing. Take out the “mean to his daughter” and we have the EXACT same thing the left does whenever a wealthy, white conservative is not charged with a crime. If it had been one of the rare conservative actors the left would be screaming for his head.

In another thread consistency was brought up, seems to me there is a lack of it here.

[Jezcoe]

@Striker840

The question wasn’t about one movie, but movies being filmed in general. Didn’t someone earlier in this thread comment he wouldn’t be charged because it might cause people to reconsider filming in New Mexico??

That is not why he would be charged.

Look at it this way.

There are thousands of incidents on TV and Films using firearms per year.

We can point to three accidents. In a few decades.

Things like this happen because of negligence all up and down the chain.

[TheDoctorIsIn]

@Striker840

WOW the disconnect here is amazing. Take out the “mean to his daughter” and we have the EXACT same thing the left does whenever a wealthy, white conservative is not charged with a crime. If it had been one of the rare conservative actors the left would be screaming for his head.

I understand that’s the narrative you’re working from.

But it’s silly. Projection and justification.

@Striker840

In another thread consistency was brought up, seems to me there is a lack of it here.

I thoroughly encourage you to find a single post of mine inconsistent with any I’ve made in this thread.

[Striker840]

@SixFoot

@Striker840

@SixFoot

Veterans, what’s the first thing you do when someone hands you a rifle?

Ummm look down the barrel and play with the trigger???

Lmao

I would’ve also accepted, “Point it at your battle buddy, make a joke about shooting them, and pull the trigger!”

Marines don’t have “Battle Buddies”…lmao
Do you realize how ummm childish that actually sounds? LMAO

Sorry, have been waiting forever to say that.
Love ya Brother!!!

[Oryx]

@zantax

By the way, I just read the investigation is still open, so my complaint is a tad premature.

Third post after the OP:

@Oryx

Do we know exactly what happened yet? Aren’t they still investigating?