Jezcoe
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I haven’t seen to many of the “libs” not being able to admit that it is human life.
I have seen plenty of conservatives not give on the moral issue of body autonomy or that they make excuses about “well she shouldn’t have had sex”… I am not lumping you in with these people.
What I am finding surprising is the argument that a rape victim should be forced to carry to term the product of that rape. That used to be one of the matters of agreement between pro choice and pro life that if the choice to have sex was taken away from the woman then she should not have to carry that baby to term if she made that choice.
Along the way there have been stupid things said by legislators about how a baby can’t come from rape… that the body would shut that down… and a complete lack of understanding about human biology… like a heartbeat bill based on a time before a heart has developed.
But to have people actually argue that a woman should have to carry a baby that she had no choice in or even an 11 year old child would have to is something different.
It shows that the woman or girl’s own body has no value to them other than to produce children and that is supremely weird.
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You’re right. There are a ton of possibilities for why it wasn’t discovered earlier that she was pregnant. Even more reason to get it terminated as soon as possible. The longer this goes on the more complications there are going to be!
I’m so upset about this situation. It’s so wrong. This little girl has been violated in a way that she will most likely never fully recover from. The government forcing her to go through even more trauma is disgusting to me.
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Yes…it is…or should be the parents responsibility and right to care for their child and do what’s best for her.
conan
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Well those that make those claims like you can get pregnant due to rape are embarrassment to our cause…just like those that can’t admit that fetus is a human life to yours.
We need to strip away the ignorance and have what is proper role of goverment…or writing laws that can’t solve multi dimension of complexity in cases such as one were discussion now.
I hope that makes sense…
conan
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In this girls case do you want the parents involvement…specially the grand mother?
This is where professionals have to come in.
Jezcoe
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I can only speak for myself and I try to not make sweeping generalizations about what other people may or may not think.
People who do not think that a fetus is a human is not on my “side” as much as those who cannot recognize that a woman has the right to her own body are not on “yours”
Not everything has to be a team sport.
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Well I think they need to hear the advice of the medical community and then make the decision. Just like I had to hear the advice of physicians and specialists and help my mom decide to let my dad go. We were medical powers of attorney…it was our right and responsibility to do what was best.
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conan
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I always advocate I want in words of JohnRock a goverment I can drown in bathtub…which I’ll add with one hand while eating a drumstick with other.
But at what point should society step in? There is always that line. For me this is about as close to that line as one can get.
The girl and the baby are innocent victims. No course of action will change that fact. So the issue is: what decision will most heal the damage already done to the girl’s personality?
The most healing action an individual can take in any situation is to lay down what is their own for the sake of someone else’s good. The most healing choice for the girl, and an option that should be encouraged, but not necessarily forced, is to temporarily accept the inconvenience of bearing the baby for the baby’s sake, and when it’s born decide whether to either keep it or pass the baby on to someone else who wants to care for it. That scenario shows concern for the ongoing well-being of the girl and the baby. Encouraging her to choose according to self-interest is not going to help her form a healthy personality in the long term and will burden her with recurring anxiety, doubts and guilt for the rest of her life, whenever this issue is discussed in her presence. The “for the baby’s sake” option will enable her to participate in discussions on this issue without any doubts and guilt concerning her actions.
Can you say for sure that this is what’s best. Do you have studies and research to back that or is this simply your own reality?
Jezcoe
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You have no skin in the game to make that choice.
The thing is that there should be a choice. Full Stop.
And to say that an eleven year old girl will be “inconvenienced” for carrying a baby to term just to fulfill someone else’s moral stricture is off the rails bananas.
It isn’t your choice to make.
The ability for that choice to made should not be taken away.
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She’s eleven. The longer she carries this baby inside of her the more life-long health consequences she will suffer. This isn’t a temporary inconvenience for this little girl.
It amazes me that ‘small government’ conservatives believe that that the government should be used to force children to carry to term pregnancies borne from rape.
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Jezcoe
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It is radicalization.
It is the only thing that explains having moral beliefs that are completely divorced from the real world.
It’s amazing how the people who scream about government taking away our rights wants to have full choice over something so personal.
If this was a gun thread we would have people screaming for us to basically ■■■■ off.
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It’s a human life. The girls life matters more to me.
You know how that human life got there. A grown man much more powerful than her violently and repeatedly forced his erect penis into her small vagina, until he forcibly injected his semen into her helpless body.
Then she unwillingly became pregnant with his fetus feeding off of her body, and we want to argue that this child should be forced into incubating the rapist’s child, until such time as it is forcibly and painfully forced out her battered vagina in nine months, or she goes through major surgery of C section to remove it, and spend weeks recovering from that, which also affects all her future pregnancies.
If her family doesn’t want that, leave them alone.
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No you don’t. That would be a military so tiny that any other country in the world could annex us.
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When I was pregnant, it wasn’t just an “inconvenience”. That right there is ■■■■■■■■■ Jeezus.
This issue isn’t about what’s right. It’s about throwing a Monkey Wrench into the works to get Roe overturned.
While that is part of it. It’s about freedom and control.
Jezcoe
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The fact that the Georgia bill would jail a woman for going out of State to get an abortion should tell us that.
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