SF soldier submits to waterboarding to prove a point

WildRose · 2018-05-16T06:59:40.667Z

None of which supports the claim that the administration created the environment that led to it.

Whether you agree with the Yoo memo’s or not nothing in them allowed for the kinds of abuses that were going on at Abu Ghraib.

EI was nothing new, we’d been doing everything allowed under the Yoo memos and more for more than a hundred years.

Yoo’s memos did nothing but provide specific legal guidelines for what would be allowed and what would not.

This whole meme about how “We’re better than that” with respect to enhanced interrogation was nothing but a partisan attempt to diminish the Bush Administration.

Throughout the sixties, 70’s and 80’s and well into the 90’s nobody would have even attempted to argue that waterboarding was torture much less the sleep deprivation and withholding of food. Hell we put our own troops through worse just in training.

kingarthur65 · 2018-05-16T07:09:37.533Z

kingarthur65:

Red Cross, Amnesty International, and Human Rights Watch. These organizations stated that the abuses at Abu Ghraib were not isolated incidents, but were part of a wider pattern of torture and brutal treatment at American overseas detention centers, including those in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Guantanamo Bay.[9] Several scholars stated that the abuses constituted state-sanctioned crimes.[8][9]

This is not some “hair brained” scheme I have come up with on my own. It has been stated for years.

WildRose · 2018-05-16T07:20:25.221Z

Not by anyone I would give any credibility to.

You’re citing a bunch of people that think anything less that making them as comfortable as possible is abuse.

Your cited author is certainly not someone with any credibility on the issue.

What I am trying to point out is that Nothing that was done with respect to detention or interrogations in Iraq or Afghanistan that was authorized by the administration, the DOD or CIA was any rougher or tougher than the methods we’d been using throughout the entire 20th century.

Suddenly though when it became convenient to use this one incident to attack the administration we have to rewrite history and pretend it all began and ended with Bush.

What went on at Abu Ghraib was the result of a commander that was a cruel sadist who encouraged the abuse of the prisoners under her charge. Nothing the Administration did greenlighted those abuses nor enabled them.

You’re just trying to make a connection that doesn’t actually exist.

kingarthur65 · 2018-05-16T07:38:23.560Z

WildRose:

Nothing the Administration did greenlighted those abuses nor enabled them.

The administration created the environment for this to happen,
When was the term “enhanced interrogation” created? Why was “enhanced interrogation” needed? Who made up that term?

The administration created the environment for this to happen.

WildRose · 2018-05-16T07:44:25.401Z

You keep repeating this but it has no basis in fact.

kingarthur65 · 2018-05-16T07:54:07.608Z

Provided plenty of facts and opinions, as opposed to your posts.

WildRose · 2018-05-16T08:00:13.100Z

No you haven’t, you haven’t provided anything that shows they created such an environment that allowed for Abu Ghraib to happen.

kingarthur65 · 2018-05-16T08:15:07.235Z

I, once again, refer you to wikipedia. If you don’t like what’s there, go ahead and try to change it.

WildRose · 2018-05-16T08:45:05.117Z

Nothing in the article shows that the Administration created the conditions that led to Abu Ghraib.

Illegal_Alien · 2018-05-16T14:03:28.015Z

AZslim:

Police brutality is a crime. I think we agree racism is wrong. These are legitimate things that should be guarded against. Torture is another wrong that we should not legitimize.

A few fringe liberals might want all guns banned bit most do not. I think you would agree that banning all guns is an example of giving the government too much power in the pursuit of security. It seems to me that allowing the government torture falls into the same category…why would you condone this?

Did i every say I condone Torture? your Question was a Specific question I answered it.
And it is Not a FEW FRINGE LIBERALS who want to ban all firearms.
Because the Banning of the "Light Firearms or should i say “Assault Rifles” makes no logical sense when the majority of crime and deaths are used with Handguns.
I have heard plenty of Main Stream Democrat and Liberals talk about banning all Firearms.

AZslim · 2018-05-17T00:45:04.387Z

Name a few mainstream Democratic politicians who want to ban ALL firearms?

WuWei · 2018-05-17T00:45:59.186Z

Feinstein.

WuWei · 2018-05-17T00:51:21.086Z

Name one time gun control advocates ever stopped of their own accord.

It’s obvious what the script is. Ban ARs because they’re weapons of war and “nobody really needs one.”

Then, “We banned those so obviously we can ban others. All semiautomatics!”

Then…

You see these very arguments in every gun thread on this forum and every time a pol opens their mouths on it.

And we have a couple if in progress examples.

AZslim · 2018-05-17T01:52:02.838Z

But somehow the government will know when to stop when it comes to torture.

Smyrna · 2018-05-17T02:00:58.841Z

I share your distrust and it should have to go through a process for approval that includes a trusted entity, outside the military.

WildRose · 2018-05-17T03:18:42.057Z

Pelosi and Feinstein.

AZslim · 2018-05-17T05:17:17.427Z

Where did they say want to ban ALL guns?

AZslim · 2018-05-17T05:18:10.245Z

Who would be the trusted entity?

WildRose · 2018-05-17T05:18:28.544Z

AZslim:

Where did they say want to ban ALL guns?

WildRose · 2018-05-17T05:24:58.445Z

AZslim:

Where did they say want to ban ALL guns?

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