Serious input needed on this Question Please

[rp5x5]

@Supreme_War_Pig

@rp5x5

@Supreme_War_Pig

we’ll build more charging stations.

That need power to work.
Pass a law saying, “Your vehicle must be run by a perpetual motion machine. connecting to the grid we own”

@rp5x5

@Supreme_War_Pig

what if his faith is misplaced?

You don’t go from disaster crackhead to multimillionaire with an extremely large company with "misplaced faith.’

It’s strange where you chose to place your faith.

On one hand, you have no faith that we can generate power, despite the fact that we’ve been doing if for a century, but on the other hand, you have faith that Trump will be reinstalled, despite the fact that there is no way to do that.

Faith is not some superficial “placing”

[Impenitent]

horses on boats are fun

[Piper]

@Supreme_War_Pig

My guess is you believe that you may have stumbled onto a new and novel argument here.

You haven’t.

A new and novel argument? How new is the constitution?

The idea of an EV mandate is crumbling before it becomes an actual mandate.

“Be not the first by whom the new are tried,
Nor yet the last to lay the old aside.”

― Alexander Pope, An Essay On Criticism

[Piper]

@Supreme_War_Pig

Rest easy, we’ll build more charging stations.

This argument is a dud.

After the grid blows up, y’all can Build Back Better. Right?

[Supreme_War_Pig]

@Piper

@Supreme_War_Pig

My guess is you believe that you may have stumbled onto a new and novel argument here.

You haven’t.

A new and novel argument? How new is the constitution?

The idea of an EV mandate is crumbling before it becomes an actual mandate.

“Be not the first by whom the new are tried,
Nor yet the last to lay the old aside.”

― Alexander Pope, An Essay On Criticism

His argument is a fail

@Piper

After the grid blows up, y’all can Build Back Better. Right?

You bet. Why is it gonna blow up?

[Piper]

@SpacemanSpiff

As of the right to drive, there is no constitutional guarantee. But if some state wants to ban EVs then, by all means, open up that big ol’ can of worms.

It shouldn’t have to be spelled out to a person that they are free to travel, walk, drive a car, truck, or ride in a wheelbarrow or buggy. …

I don’t know of anybody that wants a ban on EV’s, people have a right to buy and drive them. Two of my cousins have them and they are awesome.

A ban on gasoline vehicles is what this administration is working toward.

The courts recognized in the early 1800’s that the right to travel makes America a more perfect union.

Our constitution sustains Americans as free in the pursuit of happiness. The right to travel goes along with that.

Our right to travel is not a right to travel in a manner or to a place that encroaches on another person’s right. - - - like traveling in my car with me is not a right unless I give permission. Entering my house without my permission is also encroaching upon my rights. Entering my house without identifying who a person is also is not a right.

[Publius]

@bigtwnvin

@GrandWazoo

And no one is saying that a EV can’t travel between states.

If you are forced to buy an EV because ICEs are no longer sold, your ability to travel is restricted to the distance one could travel with a charged vehicle.

So there are no charging stations? By your logic, an ICE vehicle is restricted to the distance one could travel with a full tank.

[Piper]

@Supreme_War_Pig

His argument is a fail

IMO, it is good advice. I practice it. Suit yourself.

[Publius]

@Piper

@Supreme_War_Pig

Rest easy, we’ll build more charging stations.

This argument is a dud.

After the grid blows up, y’all can Build Back Better. Right?

If the grid blows up, there will be no power for gas pumps. So there’s that.

[Supreme_War_Pig]

@Piper

@Supreme_War_Pig

His argument is a fail

IMO, it is good advice. I practice it. Suit yourself.

You clearly don’t even understand the conversation. Go outside and play.

[NJBob]

@Piper

Question. Could limiting our mode of travel (to electric vehicle only) encroach on our “right to travel?”

Does having to drive a car with emissions controls limit your “right to travel”? How about mileage standards or safety standards?

[Piper]

@Supreme_War_Pig

You clearly don’t even understand the conversation. Go outside and play.

Explain it to me genius.

[Piper]

@NJBob

Does having to drive a car with emissions controls limit your “right to travel”? How about mileage standards or safety standards?

How about having no car at all.

[Samm]

@Publius

@Piper

@Supreme_War_Pig

Rest easy, we’ll build more charging stations.

This argument is a dud.

After the grid blows up, y’all can Build Back Better. Right?

If the grid blows up, there will be no power for gas pumps. So there’s that.

A small portable generator (or even a solar panel) will run a gas pump, but it will take many hours for it to charge an EV.

[NJBob]

@Piper

@NJBob

Does having to drive a car with emissions controls limit your “right to travel”? How about mileage standards or safety standards?

How about having no car at all.

That doesn’t really answer my question. You made the case that limiting you to electric power was a problem. But what about restricting the potential of gas power, is that also a problem?

[Piper]

@NJBob

That doesn’t really answer my question. You made the case that limiting you to electric power was a problem. But what about restricting the potential of gas power, is that also a problem?

I thought it was understood that we drive cars like you described, all. the. time.

[Publius]

@Samm

@Publius

@Piper

@Supreme_War_Pig

Rest easy, we’ll build more charging stations.

This argument is a dud.

After the grid blows up, y’all can Build Back Better. Right?

If the grid blows up, there will be no power for gas pumps. So there’s that.

A small portable generator (or even a solar panel) will run a gas pump, but it will take many hours for it to charge an EV.

Yeah, until its tank runs dry. And have you ever seen a gas pump powered by solar panels?

[Samm]

@Publius

@Samm

@Publius

@Piper

@Supreme_War_Pig

Rest easy, we’ll build more charging stations.

This argument is a dud.

After the grid blows up, y’all can Build Back Better. Right?

If the grid blows up, there will be no power for gas pumps. So there’s that.

A small portable generator (or even a solar panel) will run a gas pump, but it will take many hours for it to charge an EV.

Yeah, until its tank runs dry. And have you ever seen a gas pump powered by solar panels?

If you are pumping gas from 30-40,000 gallon storage tanks at a gas station, you’re not going to run out of gasoline for your generator before those tanks are empty unless you are stupid.

And I don’t have to have seen a gas station pump powered by solar panels to know that it is possible to do so.

[Optrader]

@Piper

While I was doing some research on citizens and driver’s license, I ran across this “right to travel” in the United States.

As a fundamental right inherent in American citizenship and the nature of the federal union, the right to travel in the United States is basic to American liberty. The right precedes the creation of the United States and appears in the Articles of Confederation. The U.S. Constitution and Supreme Court recognize and protect the right to interstate travel. The travel right entails privacy and free domestic movement without governmental abridgement.

In the era of surveillance, the imposition of official photo identification for travel, watchlist prescreening programs, and invasive airport scans and searches unreasonably burden the right to travel. They undermine citizen rights to travel and to privacy. These regulations impermissibly require citizens to relinquish one fundamental right of privacy in order to exercise another fundamental right of travel. The government must preserve these rights in addressing policy goals. The original conception of the right to travel embodies it as a broadly-based freedom that encompasses all modes of transport. Its explicit articulation in the Articles of Confederation became implicit in the Privileges and Immunities Clause of the Constitution. Contrary to the appellate “single mode doctrine,” abridgement of any mode of transportation undermines the constitutionally enshrined travel right. The U.S. Supreme Court needs to rearticulate an originally consistent and politically robust multi-modal right to travel.

"The Right To Travel And Privacy: Intersecting Fundamental Freedoms, 30" by Richard Sobel.

Question. Could limiting our mode of travel (to electric vehicle only) encroach on our “right to travel?”

What about limiting our right to travel during a pandemic?

The push for EVs is exactly that. A means for the government to limit our ability to travel. Even without giving the government control of our travel by them shutting down the power grid, total reliance in EV travel could be shut down by natural disasters.How long has power been down in Florida after Hurricane Ian?

EVs running alongside of ICE vehicles and driven by people who choose to drive them is one thing, but one thing we know about Libs is that give them a millimeter, they’ll take a mile. Stopping at reasonable is something they don’t do - EVER. EV mandates will come, and soon if they are left in power…

[fallenturtle]

@Optrader

but one thing we know about Libs is that give them a millimeter, they’ll take a mile

But replace it with 1.6km.