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makes no difference. do businesses that don’t make money not have to pay their employees?

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OK tell me how is a HS football team a business?

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i happen to live in nc, charlotte, where independence hs produces lots of full ride college athlete football players (joined by butler hs in the last decade). a few have gone on to nfl careers. there is lots of competition and shenanigans going on to get young players into those schools. tell me how its not.

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What product or service are they providing? Who are they selling the product or service too? A few schools competing to one up each other is not a business. Now I answered your question answer mine. Why do you think it is a business?

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further food for thought.

will football players for ohio state get paid more than those for toledo? will they negotiate a minimum salary? if so, how will the schools that don’t make money off athletics (which is the vast majority) be able to pay their athletes? will they have a stipend that all college athletes get equally? how does that not violate the same anti trust laws this is based on?

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why is it a business in college. the vast majority of colleges do not make money from their sports program. some do. thats my point, its a sport, not a business. if you treat it like a business then all labor laws apply.

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Those are all good questions and I believe will be a huge elephant in the room.

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Colleges can actively recruit and promote their athletes for gain. Highs schools can’t legally at least everywhere I have lived, but I don’t know about NC. That is the difference. Yes I agree that if you treat it like a business then labor laws should apply. Where we disagree is you saying HS sports are a business.

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in the end this decision was not in favor of “student athletes” but in favor of only “elite student athletes”. The bulk of them will pay the price with the loss of sports programs entirely.

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I think that’s true already. I believe there is a cap tot he number of years you can play NCAA sports - 4. But I’m not totally sure.

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This already happens.

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Compensation should be based on how much revenue they generate. Free market capitalism!

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I don’t know, it’s going to take years for this to shake out.

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As I noted before I’m no fan of the marriage between so-called higher education and sports. As far as I know no other country does this like the US. If a sport cannot be supported by free market capitalism then the consumers are saying they don’t really give two ■■■■■ about that sport. Then what government is saying is that tuition should be raised to support a product few people want. That makes no ■■■■■■■ economic sense. Title IX is the perfect example of the idiocy of government at work.

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One anecdotal account doesn’t make a trend. This is from the link I posted after I had a chance to to some looking into this myself:

"The result is a focus on eligibility rather than education. That isn’t to say schools are committing academic fraud to keep athletes eligible, just that they put them in easy majors — and things that really aren’t even majors, like general studies. These majors allow players to get easy degrees that give them little chance of finding a job consistent with their peers, many of whom had more time and academic prowess to spend on more challenging majors or will go to graduate school.

Not only has the NCAA done a good job of framing a “success” as receiving a degree rather than receiving the education necessary to get a job, it has also created its own graduation rate to paint a better picture than the federal graduation rates. While the NCAA claims athletes graduate at a higher rate than the general student body, the federal rates show the opposite.

> Throughout Division I’s Football Bowl Series programs, the 2013 football report found (findings are published quarterly by sport), athletes who entered college in 2005 graduated at rates 18 percentage points lower than non-athletes, and black players lagged by 24 percentage points."

As a former educator I know these kids. Let’s just say that they are not taking AP classes. Also the better athlete they are the less they generally care about academics because they are hoping to make it to the pro’s.

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This is an older article, pre-pandemic, but it still applies. Most athletic departments are in the red and accounting is a shell game. Only a few will actually be able to survive this “pay for play” era, so college athletics will absolutely be diminished. I might agree with the Court’s decision, but anybody who thinks this will result in better outcomes for players is delusional. The NCAA never should have let this issue get to this point and only has itself to blame.

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Feminists will have a field day if that’s the case. They will argue that the captain of the field hockey team should make as much as the quarterback.

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I think they should get rid of “one-and-done” rule and just let kids go straight to the NBA out of high school if they choose. If they choose to go the college route, make them stay 3 years, like NCAA baseball. Then compensate them. Seems fair to me.

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I’m not against this.

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It’s all relative. A 2-star player being recruited by Akron already knows he can’t command as much as a 5-star who goes to OSU. If they want more compensation, push more weight and work on that 40 time.