Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts

Guvnah · 2021-07-31T04:37:54.422Z

tnt:

So when you said we should value others positions and views on issues, you didn’t really mean it?

Once again, you misrepresent what someone else said.

DMK · 2021-07-31T12:24:23.617Z

Supreme_War_Pig:

So to be a non sheep you have to reject science, medical advice, and the common good. Got it.

I wonder if you were to use an animal to describe yourself, what is that animal? I am a sheep, you are a …?

To be a non-sheep you have to be able to question medical advice and the science of it.

“Just get vaccinated and wear a mask!”
“Stay locked up in your house to flatten the curve”
“Masks aren’t effective, now wear two of them”

So, people have hesitancy. Instead of beating them over the head to make them dig in even more, why not use a different approach?

Clearly, the approach being used isn’t working for those with vaccine hesitancy.

People don’t trust politicians and people don’t trust the MSM. Many don’t have doctor’s they can sit and have a chat with. Perhaps they don’t have insurance or their medical insurance co-pay means an office visit takes food off of the table.

Perhaps they think they are young and healthy but if they get the vaccine, they might get sick…

These are the kind of things that need to be addressed.

tnt · 2021-07-31T12:24:44.283Z

Guvnah:

Once again, you misrepresent what someone else said.

fair enough - our earlier argument was about facts and science, you are right.

WuWei · 2021-07-31T12:31:20.865Z

@tnt

Who determines what is “objectively true”?

tnt · 2021-07-31T12:57:50.447Z

WuWei:

Who determines what is “objectively true”?

science, facts, reality.

Some things it’s easy.

Claims that the vaccine makes spoons stick to your face are objectively false.

The vaccines are safe and effective is objectively true based on the data collected on 140M americans taking the vaccine.

WuWei · 2021-07-31T13:05:20.735Z

tnt:

science, facts, reality.

Who decides those three things? Who decides what is science? What are facts? What is reality?

zantax · 2021-07-31T13:07:18.936Z

WuWei:

tnt:

science, facts, reality.

Who decides those three things? Who decides what is science? What are facts? What is reality?

Apparently, large corporations.

JayJay · 2021-07-31T14:20:13.099Z

WuWei:

JayJay:

And understand that correlation does not imply causation. In fact it hardly ever does.

That’s incorrect. It very strongly implies causation. In fact it most often is.

No it does not.

WuWei · 2021-07-31T14:28:56.532Z

JayJay:

WuWei:

JayJay:

And understand that correlation does not imply causation. In fact it hardly ever does.

That’s incorrect. It very strongly implies causation. In fact it most often is.

No it does not.

Yes, it does. Neighing from a corral in Texas is very rarely a zebra.

JayJay · 2021-07-31T14:36:47.683Z

WuWei:

JayJay:

WuWei:

JayJay:

And understand that correlation does not imply causation. In fact it hardly ever does.

That’s incorrect. It very strongly implies causation. In fact it most often is.

No it does not.

Yes, it does. Neighing from a corral in Texas is very rarely a zebra.

Your anecdote is not an example of correlation or causation. These have to do with statistics, not a single observed event.

There’s a whole new math that has arisen that deals with causation precisely because correlation rarely implies causation.

It rarely implies causation because rarely do we understand all the factors involved.

WuWei · 2021-07-31T14:42:03.329Z

JayJay:

Your anecdote

It’s not an anecdote.

Newton and Descartes have you all twisted up. No need to scientific the hell out of every little thing.

Supreme_War_Pig · 2021-07-31T14:43:00.037Z

WuWei:

tnt:

science, facts, reality.

Who decides those three things? Who decides what is science? What are facts? What is reality?

WuWei:

Yes, it does. Neighing from a corral in Texas is very rarely a zebra.

What’s a zebra?

WuWei · 2021-07-31T14:43:23.243Z

JayJay:

There’s a whole new math that has arisen that deals with causation precisely because correlation rarely implies causation.

That’s funny.

JayJay:

It rarely implies causation because rarely do we understand all the factors involved.

Rarely do all the factors have material impact.

WuWei · 2021-07-31T14:44:12.414Z

Supreme_War_Pig:

What’s a zebra?

My corral I decide. Yours?

Supreme_War_Pig · 2021-07-31T14:45:03.302Z

WuWei:

Supreme_War_Pig:

What’s a zebra?

My corral I decide. Yours?

What’s a corral?

WuWei · 2021-07-31T14:54:55.194Z

Supreme_War_Pig:

WuWei:

Supreme_War_Pig:

What’s a zebra?

My corral I decide. Yours?

What’s a corral?

On your ranch, you decide.

On my ranch, I decide. I also decide what a woman is. And a lady.

Supreme_War_Pig · 2021-07-31T14:56:09.451Z

WuWei:

Supreme_War_Pig:

WuWei:

Supreme_War_Pig:

What’s a zebra?

My corral I decide. Yours?

What’s a corral?

On your ranch, you decide.

On my ranch, I decide. I also decide what a woman is. And a lady.

What’s a ranch?

WuWei:

Who decides those three things? Who decides what is science? What are facts? What is reality?

Bill.in.PA · 2021-07-31T14:56:16.908Z

The Delta variant is highly contagious but very unlikely to kill anyone. There is less than a 1% hospitalization rate in Provincetown outbreak. The vaccination appears to give significant protection from severe cases, but it does not prevent infection or transmission.

The virus is evolving into a cold virus / natural vaccination. It is likely that practically everyone will eventually get a COVID variant regardless of their vaccination status, just as practically everyone gets an occasional cold.

WuWei · 2021-07-31T14:57:14.706Z

Supreme_War_Pig:

WuWei:

Supreme_War_Pig:

WuWei:

Supreme_War_Pig:

What’s a zebra?

My corral I decide. Yours?

What’s a corral?

On your ranch, you decide.

On my ranch, I decide. I also decide what a woman is. And a lady.

What’s a ranch?

WuWei:

Who decides those three things? Who decides what is science? What are facts? What is reality?

You decide for you. I decide for me. No need to agree.

Sknyluv · 2021-07-31T14:57:56.241Z

Bill.in.PA:

The Delta variant is highly contagious but very unlikely to kill anyone. There is less than a 1% hospitalization rate in Provincetown outbreak. The vaccination appears to give significant protection from severe cases, but it does not prevent infection or transmission.

The virus is evolving into a cold virus / natural vaccination. It is likely that practically everyone will eventually get a COVID variant regardless of their vaccination status, just as practically everyone gets an occasional cold.

Or it could kill you. Whichever. Get vaccinated.