School Choice For Our Children

[PurpnGold]

@WuWei

Brandon’s on board

https://mobile.twitter.com/ChristinaPushaw/status/1626644378272862227?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1626644378272862227|twgr^b3e280dfda12914430d64bb8323874c43626872d|twcon^s1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxnews.com%2Fmedia%2Fbiden-ridiculed-attempt-attack-desantis-turns-accidental-endorsement-school-choice

Yep and every kid does have “access”. Unless we go to a nationwide voucher system… then that will no longer be the case.

[WuWei]

Might want to read it closer.

[zantax]

@tnt

@Cratic3947

Trump’s idea of giving kids choice in schools is a very good idea. Schools are failing in many places and many people have no choice but to send their kids there. It’s a law. Most agree the problem is the school unions have tons of power in the dem party. They need kids in place to get govt money. Many schools not must care about the kids education as we can tell by years of failure…

What do you call a system where people have no choices, and those who won’t give them choices make money off it?

Both parties should support school choice…

The issue with school choice is, you end up making the public school system - which of course in some areas have serious problems - even worse.

It also doesn’t really provide fair access to all citizens because it rarely covers the true full cost of sending your children to private schools. So it just becomes a subsidy for the wealthy, while pulling resources for teh school that educates the lower income level students.

I applaud any effort to improve public education, but school choice - as is usually proposed - is not a good answer.

So people need to sacrifice their children’s education to prop up a failed public school system eh?

[WuWei]

@zantax

So people need to sacrifice their children’s education to prop up a failed public school system eh?

[SixFoot]

@zantax

So people need to sacrifice their children’s education to prop up a failed public school system eh?

Everyone against this went to public school. They’re no different than any other fuddy duddy who doesn’t want to upgrade to something better, simply because they’re used to the inferior trash they already have.

Those of us with actual kids in actual schools will be the ones to determine where all this goes, not some old out of touch lib weirdos whose educations are as old as they are inaccurate.

[PurpnGold]

@zantax

@tnt

@Cratic3947

Trump’s idea of giving kids choice in schools is a very good idea. Schools are failing in many places and many people have no choice but to send their kids there. It’s a law. Most agree the problem is the school unions have tons of power in the dem party. They need kids in place to get govt money. Many schools not must care about the kids education as we can tell by years of failure…

What do you call a system where people have no choices, and those who won’t give them choices make money off it?

Both parties should support school choice…

The issue with school choice is, you end up making the public school system - which of course in some areas have serious problems - even worse.

It also doesn’t really provide fair access to all citizens because it rarely covers the true full cost of sending your children to private schools. So it just becomes a subsidy for the wealthy, while pulling resources for teh school that educates the lower income level students.

I applaud any effort to improve public education, but school choice - as is usually proposed - is not a good answer.

So people need to sacrifice their children’s education to prop up a failed public school system eh?

No, they have a choice to move them out… however because good private schools cost lots of money, it is often not attainable to the middle class and poor.

[WuWei]

School choice fix that

[PurpnGold]

@WuWei

School choice fix that

No, it can’t.

“School choice” isn’t price controlling private schools.

[WuWei]

@PurpnGold

@WuWei

School choice fix that

No, it can’t.

“School choice” is price controlling private schools.

Of course it will. Not paying school taxes opens up every education opportunity to a whole new financial cohort. It maps the margin for those on the cusp.

Change one variable…

[PurpnGold]

@WuWei

@PurpnGold

@WuWei

School choice fix that

No, it can’t.

“School choice” is price controlling private schools.

Of course it will. Not paying school taxes opens up every education opportunity to a whole new financial cohort. It maps the margin for those on the cusp.

Change one variable…

And for those not on the cusp?

How do you keep private schools from raising prices beyond what a voucher can provide? 5k voucher… 10k school goes up to 15k.

How do you stop that?

[Eagle-Keeper]

@tnt

@Toll_Collector

Ok. So a better idea is to have everyone that can’t pay for a private school not be able to go to one?

A better idea is to make public schools better.

But that’s difficult. And won’t make anyone any money. So we tend to not tackle those kind of issues.

(FYI, my local public school is great. Has it’s own set of challenges, but in terms of academics, it excels. But I live in an extremely affluent town so the student body has support at home, and financial means to get outside assistance etc… so our student body is easy to educate affordably.

Public education really is directly linked to the economic level of the community it serves. If a town has an educational problem, they most likely have a poverty problem. So while we all scratch our heads about ‘gee, why can’t we make schools better’, the question really is 'how can we raise the economic levels of some communities.)

It’s not so much the economic level of the community as it is the sociological makeup of the community. In other words a married mother and father both of whom are actively involved in their child’s education. Or if a single parent then one who is like Ben Carson’s mom. Another reason it’s not economics is that the poorer districts get ■■■■ loads of money from the state.

[gooddad409]

@zantax

@tnt

@Cratic3947

Trump’s idea of giving kids choice in schools is a very good idea. Schools are failing in many places and many people have no choice but to send their kids there. It’s a law. Most agree the problem is the school unions have tons of power in the dem party. They need kids in place to get govt money. Many schools not must care about the kids education as we can tell by years of failure…

What do you call a system where people have no choices, and those who won’t give them choices make money off it?

Both parties should support school choice…

The issue with school choice is, you end up making the public school system - which of course in some areas have serious problems - even worse.

It also doesn’t really provide fair access to all citizens because it rarely covers the true full cost of sending your children to private schools. So it just becomes a subsidy for the wealthy, while pulling resources for teh school that educates the lower income level students.

I applaud any effort to improve public education, but school choice - as is usually proposed - is not a good answer.

So people need to sacrifice their children’s education to prop up a failed public school system eh?

That and they get access to our children and grandchildren in order to indoctrinate them.

That’s what is really behind their (c) strong opposition to kids getting an opportunity for a better education.

[WuWei]

@PurpnGold

And for those not on the cusp?

What about them?

[WuWei]

@PurpnGold

How do you keep private schools from raising prices beyond what a voucher can provide? 5k voucher… 10k school goes up to 15k.

How do you stop that?

Why do you need to? Change one variable…

[WuWei]

@Eagle-Keeper

Another reason it’s not economics is that the poorer districts get ■■■■ loads of money from the state.

Disproportionate?

[zantax]

@PurpnGold

@WuWei

@PurpnGold

@WuWei

School choice fix that

No, it can’t.

“School choice” is price controlling private schools.

Of course it will. Not paying school taxes opens up every education opportunity to a whole new financial cohort. It maps the margin for those on the cusp.

Change one variable…

And for those not on the cusp?

How do you keep private schools from raising prices beyond what a voucher can provide? 5k voucher… 10k school goes up to 15k.

How do you stop that?

Do you apply the same logic to federally backed college loans? If not, how is it different?

[Safiel]

I should probably interject at this point that I oppose the existence of all Federally backed/subsidized student loans and any sort of education grants (Pell or otherwise).

The GI Bill I support out of pragmatic necessity. We are having trouble filling the ranks in the service as it is and the GI Bill is a necessary inducement to service. On principle, I would oppose it, but pragmatically I support it.

[zantax]

@Safiel

I should probably interject at this point that I oppose the existence of all Federally backed/subsidized student loans and any sort of education grants (Pell or otherwise).

The GI Bill I support out of pragmatic necessity. We are having trouble filling the ranks in the service as it is and the GI Bill is a necessary inducement to service. On principle, I would oppose it, but pragmatically I support it.

I fully support Pell Grants, they helped pay for my education and the government has received a very large return on that investment in the form of my higher income taxes paid.

[Eagle-Keeper]

@WuWei

@Eagle-Keeper

Another reason it’s not economics is that the poorer districts get ■■■■ loads of money from the state.

Disproportionate?

Absolutely. The poorer districts in NJ get much more state funding than the other districts.

[PurpnGold]

@WuWei

@PurpnGold

How do you keep private schools from raising prices beyond what a voucher can provide? 5k voucher… 10k school goes up to 15k.

How do you stop that?

Why do you need to? Change one variable…

Is this a serious question?

Private school in 2023 - 10k
Voucher in 2023 - 5k
Private in 2024 - 15k

What’s the net result in 2024?