Saner heads prevail, debt limit passes the Senate and on the way to President Biden

Actually I did respond to that article earlier when WuWei cited it. What role did any tax plan play in the budget negotiation?

The Freedom Caucus bill called for overturning every initiate Biden got passed in the prior two years, and every one of them was preserved. The Freedom Caucus wanted to overturn the Infrastructure Bill, the Chips Act, all the climate initiatives, the IRS rebuild (which was trimmed in a minor way) and the student loan forgiveness. Biden won on every point. Yet neither you nor WuWei nor anyone else have been willing to acknowledge the breadth of this victory or answer my core question: how did Matt Gaetz, Chip Roy, Gym Jordan and the rest of that crew lose to a man who cannot pull up his pants in the morning?

is this mish-mash supposed to be a defense of your position?

Back to ignoring content in favor of insults.

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I wonder which flash card was Biden’s “Ace-in-the-sleeve”.
I know it’s not one that says:
“Now follow the green line and walk out”.

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Biden may have stumbled on a sandbag, but he still neutered the Freedom Caucus, which has now been shown that the “Motion to Vacate” power they gained in the January speaker vote is useless.

Do you really think a momentary trip on a podium is more important than the MAGA wing of the house being shown to be politically impotent and the Speaker showing he’ll make deals with the Democrats to neuter them.

Of course you are right, it you think the goal of politics is to “own the other side”. People who politics is a way to influence how our nation pursues the common good would disagree with you.

There is NO “common good” in the minds of the Left.
Hasn’t been there in the last 100 years.
And Biden couldn’t neuter a streight cat never mind the FC.

So who did neuter the Freedom Caucus if Biden didn’t.

Because they lost big time in the past week and McCarthy now clearly can get things through he House without them and without having to fear their putting a motion to vacate on the floor.

Joe Biden is a canny politician, who clearly is careless when he speaks and sometimes is tripped up by his stuttering. But probably his most potent weapon is that people underestimate him. When you insist on lowering expectations for him, you give him an enormous gift.

So how did the left change in 1923. What was the trigger event.

I think an alternative way to approach this is to ask what you mean by “common”.

The left has spent the period since the 1950’s broadening the definition of the “common” to include AFrican-Americans, women, Hispanics, the disabled, LBTQ+ people and so on so all these Americans could share in the Common Good.

The right has spent the same period resisting efforts to include these groups in the “common good”.

Its not that the left does not have a notion of the common good, its that the left’s notion is an inclusive one that embraces all Americans while the right’s notion is to excludes and emphasizing differences.

The issue is how you define “common good” not that one side believes in it and the other does not.

Since the 1950s, both political parties have engaged in legislative battles over the debt ceiling—each using it to paint the other as financially irresponsible—only to reach an agreement before markets began to panic.

Since 1960, Congress has raised, extended, or revised the debt limit 78 separate times, of which 49 were under Republican presidents and 29 were under Democratic presidents, according to the Department of Treasury. In each of those instances, Congress took action on the debt limit before the nation defaulted.

This. :point_up:

The man just risked his speakership given the threat from the Freedom Caucus to enter a motion to vacate? Was McCarthy calling their bluff not ballsy enough for you?

I would say McCarthy, Democrats, and sane Republicans neutered the Freedom Caucus

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Were they bluffing?

Were the critprog Maxists neutered? The Burn and Warren?

The Marx Caucus.

Yes they were, by Manchin and Biden. But the immediate discussion was about McCarthy so you bringing Sanders and Warren is an effort to distract from the matter at hand.

Try to stay on topic please.

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Manchin?

He’s not lying, he’s stuttering! :joy: