Sanders cratering poll numbers

Samm · 2020-03-19T00:51:35.488Z

westaussie:

None of that is hard left.

Of course not … not to you.

Samm · 2020-03-19T00:53:21.221Z

westaussie:

Australia has universal health care; a national disability insurance scheme; sensible gun laws. We are not a left of centre country.

Its all relative. Your country is far left of center compared to the US. The sad thing is, that your country is so far left that you think you are a moderate.

Samm · 2020-03-19T00:55:38.081Z

westaussie:

I am left of centre so I don’t. Since the Second World War the right of centre Liberal Party and Country Party (now known as the National Party) were in a coalition government for significantly longer than the centre-left Labor Party.

Classic evasion. The question was: “if you’re not a left country as you say, on what issues are you on the right?”

SixFoot · 2020-03-19T00:56:03.993Z

Bernie-who?

Mountain_Soldier · 2020-03-19T00:56:37.352Z

SixFoot:

Bernie-who?

Madoff?

WolfyT · 2020-03-19T01:09:20.880Z

I don’t think most of his supporters care. The young didn’t live through red scares.

Anyway, the Sanders Cuba comments and controversy is mostly just fodder for the attention deficit disorder soundbite outrage crowd.

westaussie · 2020-03-19T09:37:24.387Z

My country has had 25+ years of annual economic growth. We will be challenged to maintain that growth during the coronavirus crisis. We are not a left of centre country; the USA is very much a right of centre country. During the GFC we did not have a recession because we had a centre-left Labor Party federal government.

I have said I am left of centre. Like where I am domiciled I have not hidden that I am left of centre.

Samm · 2020-03-19T09:48:00.950Z

That’s why I said it’s all relative.

westaussie · 2020-03-19T09:50:04.997Z

But I am correct.

Samm · 2020-03-19T09:50:47.140Z

Relatively speaking. And so am I.

TheRedComet · 2020-03-19T11:27:31.370Z

That’s not entirely fair. We aren’t all like that.

I work two jobs, over 60 hours per week. I don’t expect anything from anyone.

In fairness, though, I was raised by my grandparents who were both born in the 40s. So I have some old school values and work ethic.

WuWei · 2020-03-19T12:56:02.791Z

TheRedComet:

That’s not entirely fair. We aren’t all like that.

I work two jobs, over 60 hours per week. I don’t expect anything from anyone.

In fairness, though, I was raised by my grandparents who were both born in the 40s. So I have some old school values and work ethic.

Generation

PhillyGuy · 2020-03-19T14:27:24.586Z

WildRose:

The US has a literacy rate of 99%.

Yes. That is the case for most economically advanced countries. I wanted to give the numbers for Latin America since there are still many in those countries at the lower end of the income scale. The numbers for Haiti for example are simply tragic.

Philly Guy

PhillyGuy · 2020-03-19T14:38:30.335Z

Mountain_Soldier:

And Biden wants to shut gun manufacturers down.

I hadn’t heard that. What I’ve heard from him is he wants to limit some guns such as the AR-15, and limit number of rounds in a magazine.

Philly Guy

Mountain_Soldier · 2020-03-19T14:42:26.275Z

PhillyGuy:

Mountain_Soldier:

And Biden wants to shut gun manufacturers down.

I hadn’t heard that. What I’ve heard from him is he wants to limit some guns such as the AR-15, and limit number of rounds in magazine.

Philly Guy

Biden is swinging wide to do this, making wild and false claims. Before the debate in South Carolina, he told the state’s gun manufacturers, “I’m coming for you, and I’m taking you down.”

PhillyGuy · 2020-03-19T14:59:07.450Z

Mountain_Soldier:

Biden is swinging wide to do this, making wild and false claims. Before the debate in South Carolina, he told the state’s gun manufacturers, “I’m coming for you, and I’m taking you down.”

Thanks for that link. I hadn’t seen that before. The article does note though in his written campaign announcements he’s more in favor of national background checks and limiting some types of guns.

Philly Guy

PhillyGuy · 2020-03-19T15:02:38.799Z

I noted that there hasn’t been much discussion of Sanders public support of communist regimes as a cause of his drop in the polls. But this article at least mentions it:

National Review – 19 Mar 20

The Mysterious Rise, Fall, and Rise of Joe Biden | National Review

As others sank in the polls, Biden seemed a known quantity in comparison.

Philly Guy

westaussie · 2020-03-19T15:10:09.098Z

Has T Gabbard endorsed J Biden?

PhillyGuy · 2020-03-19T15:11:53.179Z

For support of the argument socialism is unpopular among older Americans, who vote most, see the graphics here:

NPR

Poll: Sanders Rises, But Socialism Isn't Popular With Most Americans

An NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist poll finds that socialism is unpopular with voters overall, even as Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders is gaining in the Democratic primary.

Socialism also really craters in support from both Republicans and independents which would be very important if Sanders were the nominee in the general election.

Philly Guy

PhillyGuy · 2020-03-19T15:29:50.914Z

westaussie:

Has T Gabbard endorsed J Biden?

Just announced that she is.

Philly Guy