Sanders booted by ... Now it makes sense

BornAgainChristian · 2018-06-28T08:25:55.341Z

MarkyS:

AGAIN, He hasn’t called for or passed a SINGLE anti-gay law or EO that I’m aware of. Are YOU aware of any?

He is ambivalent about gay marriage as are most Americans. But he has never said “We have to overturn gay marriage” or anything REMOTELY like that. NEVER.

It just isn’t really on his radar.

M

I agree, he’s moved on. When Christianity was just beginning, the city of Corinth had temples dedicated to homosexual sex. The NT doesn’t demand they close, or even preach against them. It does insist Christians repent of that lifestyle, just like they must repent of drunkenness or adultery.

9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,
10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God. (1 Cor. 6:9-11 NKJ)

Illegal_Alien · 2018-06-28T10:05:59.633Z

kingarthur65:

MarkyS:

And Donald Trump is the most gay-friendly Republican president ever. He hasn’t called for or passed a SINGLE anti-gay law or EO that I’m aware of.

Trump has been quoted as being against gay marriage. Here is a transcript from an interview with Chris Wallace:
WALLACE: But, Mr. Trump, let’s take one issue. You say now that the Supreme Court has ruled that same-sex marriage is the law of the land and that any politician who talks about wanting to amend the Constitution is just playing politics. Are you saying it’s time to move on?

TRUMP: No, I’m saying this. It has been ruled up. It has been there. If I’m a, you know, if I’m elected, I would be very strong on putting certain judges on the bench that I think maybe could change things.

Funny Bill Clinton, Obama and Hillary were all against same Sex Marriage but you were ok that they changed their minds or did nothing about it.

dantes · 2018-06-28T10:50:31.487Z

Irrelevant.

Illegal_Alien · 2018-06-28T11:33:43.905Z

Its not irrelevant because just as Trump has made no policy’s for or against the LGBTQ community. the other past Presidents didn’t do much either.
I don’t believe even if Trump puts 2 more conservative judges on the Supreme Court it isn’t going to change Same Sex Marriages or Abortion.

dantes · 2018-06-28T11:37:03.882Z

His stated intent is to appoint judges who will rule against it. What Trump says is and always will be relevant. If you choose to not “believe” it is irrelevant.

Here’s a primer on his policies:

POLITICO

Trump administration dismantles LGBT-friendly policies

Despite Trump’s promise to defend LGBT rights, his health agency has blocked efforts to combat discrimination.

Illegal_Alien · 2018-06-28T12:00:04.221Z

Shrugs,
I would like to see the Policy’s be rolled back because I believe EVERYONE should be treated as Equals and we shouldn’t have policy’s put in place like this. If we want this stuff to stick like this policy then Congress should do its job and make them laws. which is how i see Trump removing many of these policy’s and EO.

dantes · 2018-06-28T12:10:32.495Z

Everyone should be treated like equals. That’s why we have these policies, for example banning discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identification for Medicare providers.

If you think the Trump administration is removing these regulations because they think they’re out of his authority then please provide proof of such otherwise you’re just making it up as you go along to rationalize that which you said wasn’t happening.

Illegal_Alien · 2018-06-28T12:27:38.663Z

You have no proof that they aren’t doing what i am rationalizing.
He has removed Several Policy things and told Congress to do its Job.
Daca was an example of him doing as i rationalized.

dantes · 2018-06-28T12:31:14.374Z

Cool. At first you didn’t think they were doing it. When shown you were wrong you quickly invented without any evidence a reason you were okay with it.

As long as we both agree in this, then I’m fine.

Illegal_Alien · 2018-06-28T12:41:10.969Z

I showed you proof.
Daca Policy was pulled away and Trump Said this to members of congress and the senate:

“A clean DACA bill, to me, is a DACA bill where we take care of the 800,000 people,” he said. “We take care of them and we also take care of security. That’s very important.”

So again my rationalization can hold that I believe he is pushing things back on congress to actually make laws about and not just presidential policy that can be removed with each president.

dantes · 2018-06-28T12:43:55.196Z

That’s not proof of anything. He specifically stated that he felt DACA was unconstitutional and he’s probably right. No one that I’ve seen has suggested all of the LGBT policies are unconstitutional. You’re applying one rational to a totally different policy is baseless.

Illegal_Alien · 2018-06-28T12:51:51.994Z

dantes:

That’s not proof of anything. He specifically stated that he felt DACA was unconstitutional and he’s probably right. No one that I’ve seen has suggested all of the LGBT policies are unconstitutional. You’re applying one rational to a totally different policy is baseless.

No I am applying that he is removing Policy’s that he believes should be made laws by the Congress if people actually want them.

Do you disagree that Congress should make that POLICY a law to prevent a president from changing that policy or revoking it?

I see Trump telling Congress to do its Job. He has done this several times.

dantes · 2018-06-28T12:54:48.772Z

Show me where anyone in his administration says they want Congress to pass LGBT protections that they repealed and I’ll agree with you.

Until then, you’re just making it up.

wiley8425 · 2018-06-28T15:08:17.595Z

Bill Clinton didn’t get DOMA passed? Bill Clinton didn’t start the whole “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy?

kingarthur65 · 2018-06-28T18:44:44.417Z

BornAgainChristian:

The left always accuses others what they are guilty doing. Like that “separated child crying” before a giant Trump on Time, which picture became viral in the deranged community even though it was well reported the entire is a fake.

BornAgainChristian:

Confirmation bias. You see proof Trump is precisely who you think he is. I look at the same precise fact and see one of his properties isn’t being managed according to his standards.

If we looked up what happened after the code violations, if they were fixed or became worse, it still would reflect on the management of Mar a Lago, not Trump personally.

But you can’t concede that point because its not about facts. You decided to hate Trump and only look for facts supporting that decision. Facts that contradict it, mean nothing to you if you see them at all. Good chance, you do not.

You could blame it on management if that was the only property with health violations, but his property in New Jersey is even worse. His property in Vegas was shut down for over 50 violations in 2012. Trump International in DC had 10 violations in April of this year. As a reminder, the Red Hen has only had 2 violations.

This certainly seems like a pattern. Is it still just a problem with management at Mar a Lago? They seem to have the same problem in Las Vegas, Washington DC, and New Jersey. Those are all facts.

kingarthur65 · 2018-06-28T18:47:08.937Z

Illegal_Alien:

Funny Bill Clinton, Obama and Hillary were all against same Sex Marriage but you were ok that they changed their minds or did nothing about it.

Has Trump changed his mind?

BornAgainChristian · 2018-06-28T19:16:23.225Z

kingarthur65:

BornAgainChristian:

The left always accuses others what they are guilty doing. Like that “separated child crying” before a giant Trump on Time, which picture became viral in the deranged community even though it was well reported the entire is a fake.

BornAgainChristian:

Confirmation bias. You see proof Trump is precisely who you think he is. I look at the same precise fact and see one of his properties isn’t being managed according to his standards.

If we looked up what happened after the code violations, if they were fixed or became worse, it still would reflect on the management of Mar a Lago, not Trump personally.

But you can’t concede that point because its not about facts. You decided to hate Trump and only look for facts supporting that decision. Facts that contradict it, mean nothing to you if you see them at all. Good chance, you do not.

You could blame it on management if that was the only property with health violations, but his property in New Jersey is even worse. His property in Vegas was shut down for over 50 violations in 2012. Trump International in DC had 10 violations in April of this year. As a reminder, the Red Hen has only had 2 violations.

This certainly seems like a pattern. Is it still just a problem with management at Mar a Lago? They seem to have the same problem in Las Vegas, Washington DC, and New Jersey. Those are all facts.

Missing in your analysis, he’s president, not managing those properties himself. And percentage wise, bet its very low. He’s got lots of properties, that a few are in violation is not a pattern, its expected.

kingarthur65 · 2018-06-28T19:52:40.877Z

BornAgainChristian:

Missing in your analysis, he’s president, not managing those properties himself. And percentage wise, bet its very low. He’s got lots of properties, that a few are in violation is not a pattern, its expected.

He wasn’t president in 2012 when his Vegas restaurant was closed down for health violations. Nor was he president in 2015 when Mar a Lago had their health violations. Also, he doesn’t have that many restaurants. It’s less than 10 and they all have a worse record than the Red Hen.

BornAgainChristian · 2018-06-28T20:30:48.099Z

kingarthur65:

BornAgainChristian:

Missing in your analysis, he’s president, not managing those properties himself. And percentage wise, bet its very low. He’s got lots of properties, that a few are in violation is not a pattern, its expected.

He wasn’t president in 2012 when his Vegas restaurant was closed down for health violations. Nor was he president in 2015 when Mar a Lago had their health violations. Also, he doesn’t have that many restaurants. It’s less than 10 and they all have a worse record than the Red Hen.

I stand corrected. So, what are the stats now? 2017?

kingarthur65 · 2018-06-28T21:36:59.032Z

BornAgainChristian:

I stand corrected. So, what are the stats now? 2017?

Your admission is enough. No need to throw salt in the wound.