San Bernardino says no to wind and solar plants

[WuWei]

They get to draw the line? I don’t think so. Centgov is the line drawer.

[FloridaYankee]

@WuWei

They get to draw the line? I don’t think so. Centgov is the line drawer.

There are local siting councils involved that have a very significant role.

[sikofit]

@WildRose

Who’s land is it?

The land that gets voted over? The government’s

[Guvnah]

@LucyLou

Farmers here are leasing fields to the power companies for both wind and solar, because the income is better and more reliable than crops. Win win.

Winning!

I consider it winning too. Free market deciding how land should be used.

Lots of Texas farmers – whose wells have run dry because the Ogallala aquifer has shrunken away from their land – are remaining financially viable by leasing their land to wind farms. I’m sure the same holds in plenty of states.

[Guvnah]

I’ve skipped over much of this thread. Maybe this has already been discussed…

When people don’t want property to be used a certain way, (assuming zoning allows that use), then they should stop the use by buying the land.

Far too often it happens around my state. A landowner wants to sell to a developer, or a landowner wants to build (whatever), and neighboring landowners and towns people object.

“Our dogs run in there…”
“We use that for hiking …”
“That land is so beautiful in its natural state…”

My opinion: People who want something different to happen should buy it and then they can dictate what happens there.

Property right. It’s a founding principle of this nation.

[WuWei]

Centgov is supreme. Submit.

Does this apply to AR15s?

[WuWei]

Then I get a vote

[sikofit]

@WuWei

Then I get a vote

I never said you or anyone doesn’t and if it came out that way then I chose my words poorly. I was simply arguing that no one person’s vote counts more than someone else’s vote.

[sikofit]

@FloridaYankee

That’s my point. They are. They have thousands of acres of solar with thousands more already in the works. They get to draw the line, not people who simply want to complain about them because they are dirty libs.

Yeah and we are currently ahead of schedule on reaching the set goals

California Ahead of Renewable Energy Goals, data shows

[WuWei]

Why in the hell are you giving me a vote in California?

[Samm]

@Grassroots

Oh I see now… where not only the goal posts were moved… but put on a freaking merry-go-round…

Sorry Samm, a napkin math post stating that because 7% of the land was deemed scenic and sensitive, the other 93% of the county land just must be “unusable” because uh… maybe topography! … and that means the county still banned it on the 100%! … doesn’t cut it.

Useable does not mean suitable.

[Samm]

@Ex-Pat

Our planet is doomed, and a certain amount of the population is going to laugh at every failure to try to fix it.

Nonsense. This planet and most of the life on it will go on just fine long after we are gone.

[WuWei]

@Grassroots

Sorry Samm, a napkin math post

The USMC was formed on a napkin in a tavern.

[Samm]

@Mountain_Soldier

Exactly - liberals supposedly want to be “green” but only if it’s not uglying up any areas they like. They’re happy to take someone else’s land and appropriate it for renewable energy though.

Californians are quite content to import electricity even if it’s generated with coal as long as the transmission lines aren’t near their houses.

[Samm]

@NuffSaid

Republicans want to remove all environmental policies.

I look forward to being able to legally dump barrels of used oil in lakes and rivers.

No they don’t, that’s ridiculous. And hyperbolic partisan rhetoric doesn’t resolve anything. All it does is piss people off.

[Samm]

@Auto129

I’d rather not have any of them near me, but if I had to choose one to see every day, the choice is obvious.

Actually it’s not. You are going to have to elaborate as to which you think is obvious. Of course you do realize that the first one cannot power your grid on its own without at least one of the others, don’t you?

[Samm]

@Auto129

The right can lead the way by cutting regulation and building a whole lot of nuclear plants in conservative areas right now. There shouldn’t be much resistance or NIMBYism to worry about if you just put them where the lunatic left doesn’t live.

The lunatic left primarily lives in the larger cities. If it weren’t for the larger cities, there would be no need to build more power generation capacity. The lunatic left loves renewable power, but that doesn’t quell their consumption of “dirty” power. They are happy as clams at high tide to use gobs of electricity as long as they can’t see the power plant.

[FloridaYankee]

Cali gets about a third of their electricity from renewables. I’d say they are walking the walk, nuttiness and all.

[Samm]

@sikofit

@Mountain_Soldier

So a minority has no say at all. Cool.

No, they still have a say, their voice just isn’t as loud. Why do you think the majority (minority (sic)?) should have more power than the majority?

Yes, if the majority is the beneficiary and the minority will suffer the consequences.

[Samm]

@sikofit

@Mountain_Soldier

They don’t have a say. If the majority decides something, it’s done. ■■■■ everyone else. It’s cool.

That’s the way our founders intended, the majority decides. Why should it be any different? Why should a minority get to decide what the majority of America does?

No it isn’t. The Constitution was set up explicitly to protect the minority from the tyranny of the majority.