Sadly, the 5th Circuit upheld the constitutionality of an all male draft, it is now upon Congress to act (Poll: Should Congress end Selective Service or should they expand Selective Service to include women?)

FlameHeart · 2020-08-15T19:17:38.421Z

It was wrong to do that. There are other ways to support the war besides dragging people off to war involuntarily.

Adam · 2020-08-15T19:19:55.889Z

My two cents, not that anyone cares. But I do accept that at times the needs of the country do require us to do our part in war. I accepted that in the pretty safe 90s, but knew it was a possibility And I can’t think of a reason why women shouldn’t also.

FlameHeart · 2020-08-15T19:23:07.098Z

I can’t serve. Not only would I not be effective due to my hips, but I don’t have any trades. I would probably slow everyone down at this point in life.

I can’t speak for my able-bodied peers.

I am in full-support of supporting the war on the home front. But not on the front lines.

BillBrown · 2020-08-15T19:31:19.601Z

FlameHeart:

He is infamous because of how little he valued the lives of his citizens.

Look, corruption in the government today is broad and it is deep. Since Congress determines if and when we go to war, that means the Democrat-majority Congress can always draft people at their leisure. Pelosi and her minions can decide who to send to war. This is why Nixon and LBJ don’t sit right with a lot of people.

You said he was infamous because he fielded an army that beat the Nazi army.

I remember Nixon and LBJ well. Do you? How old were you when they were in power?

FlameHeart · 2020-08-15T19:32:06.855Z

Ah, yes. The age card.

BillBrown · 2020-08-15T19:34:18.847Z

FlameHeart:

It was wrong to do that. There are other ways to support the war besides dragging people off to war involuntarily.

If your philosophy had been followed in 1861, the Union army would have consisted of Lincoln and congress. Maybe 1000 people.
They would have been wiped out at First Bull Run. The South would have won in a month.
The nation would have been fragmented and probably still would be. Would you like that?

BillBrown · 2020-08-15T19:35:28.910Z

FlameHeart:

Ah, yes. The age card.

I notice you didn’t answer. Tell me your memories of Nixon and LBJ.

FlameHeart · 2020-08-15T19:55:40.705Z

We’re done. You think because you’re older, that you know more about Vietnam or WWII than I do? I think you underestimate my research abilities.

Were you alive during the Civil War?

FlameHeart · 2020-08-15T19:56:28.590Z

Lincoln also had a good head on his shoulders. Unlike the left, who is in charge of Congress today.

FlameHeart · 2020-08-15T19:59:09.876Z

Do you remember the song One Tin Soldier?

Samm · 2020-08-15T21:54:05.798Z

BillBrown:

FlameHeart:

I would repeal the draft completely, making the military voluntary. If you can’t get enough people to go to war, and have to “reap” them, chances are you should rethink getting into a war that the people don’t support. The people are not pawns of the government.

We drafted 10 million men during WWII. Should we not have done that? Do you speak German? How about Japanese? Without a draft, you would be.

Yep. The picture that was painted for the public was lines of patriots volunteering to serve, but the fact is over 60% were drafted.

Samm · 2020-08-15T21:57:17.854Z

zantax:

TheRedComet:

You sure about that?

Possible outcomes I have seen put forth are, it ends when Britain nukes Berlin with their own nuke developed by their Tube Alloy project or a stalemate. Nobody seriously thinks they could have invaded and held America if we had stayed out. With Japan concentrating on and having their hands full with China.

Pure mythical hypothesis. And it really has nothing to do with the draft of American soldiers.

Samm · 2020-08-15T22:02:56.230Z

FlameHeart:

When I was in JROTC, the leadership style is “don’t do as I say, but do as I do.”

Then your JROTC leadership was completely out of sync with military protocol. Personal behavior of the leadership is never an excuse to not follow orders.

Samm · 2020-08-15T22:06:50.939Z

FlameHeart:

If they want a war so bad, then they need to go fight it themselves, or have fought in a previous war.

I’m sorry, but I lean Libertarian on this issue.

Who are “they?”

Samm · 2020-08-15T22:16:20.595Z

FlameHeart:

The politicians, if they vote to go to war and to activate the draft, they should go and fight it themselves. Don’t put innocent citizens’ lives in danger.

That’s a bit naive and very unrealistic. Constitutionally, Congress has the responsibility and the power to declare war. They also have the sworn duty to perform all of the other Legislative functions and, therefore, would be leaving the Government unable to function, during a war, no less, if they went off to fight. Besides, most of them are too old or physically incapable of serving, never mind that an army of 535 would be pretty much the same as none at all.

Samm · 2020-08-15T22:20:22.495Z

FlameHeart:

It was wrong to do that. There are other ways to support the war besides dragging people off to war involuntarily.

As has been pointed out, over 60% of American soldiers who served in WWII were drafted. Do you think we would have prevailed in that conflict without them?

Samm · 2020-08-15T22:25:22.375Z

FlameHeart:

I can’t serve. Not only would I not be effective due to my hips, but I don’t have any trades. I would probably slow everyone down at this point in life.

I can’t speak for my able-bodied peers.

I am in full-support of supporting the war on the home front. But not on the front lines.

Maybe you could serve in Congress.

Inadvertently, you have made the point that there are plenty of roles that the “weaker sex” can perform in the military, which supports the position that young women can and should share the obligation of registration with selective service with young men.

zantax · 2020-08-15T22:26:48.334Z

Samm:

zantax:

TheRedComet:

You sure about that?

Possible outcomes I have seen put forth are, it ends when Britain nukes Berlin with their own nuke developed by their Tube Alloy project or a stalemate. Nobody seriously thinks they could have invaded and held America if we had stayed out. With Japan concentrating on and having their hands full with China.

Pure mythical hypothesis. And it really has nothing to do with the draft of American soldiers.

Just reporting the prevalent theories by historians I found In a quick search. Historian or no historian though, the notion Germany could have conquered and held America seems to me to be far fetched. IE we would all be speaking German.

Samm · 2020-08-15T22:35:21.474Z

zantax:

Samm:

zantax:

TheRedComet:

You sure about that?

Possible outcomes I have seen put forth are, it ends when Britain nukes Berlin with their own nuke developed by their Tube Alloy project or a stalemate. Nobody seriously thinks they could have invaded and held America if we had stayed out. With Japan concentrating on and having their hands full with China.

Pure mythical hypothesis. And it really has nothing to do with the draft of American soldiers.

Just reporting the prevalent theories by historians I found In a quick search. Historian or no historian though, the notion Germany could have conquered and held America seems to me to be far fetched. IE we would all be speaking German.

That’s the beauty of hypothetical exercises. You never have to prove anything.

zantax · 2020-08-15T23:26:54.030Z

Samm:

zantax:

Samm:

zantax:

TheRedComet:

You sure about that?

Possible outcomes I have seen put forth are, it ends when Britain nukes Berlin with their own nuke developed by their Tube Alloy project or a stalemate. Nobody seriously thinks they could have invaded and held America if we had stayed out. With Japan concentrating on and having their hands full with China.

Pure mythical hypothesis. And it really has nothing to do with the draft of American soldiers.

Just reporting the prevalent theories by historians I found In a quick search. Historian or no historian though, the notion Germany could have conquered and held America seems to me to be far fetched. IE we would all be speaking German.

That’s the beauty of hypothetical exercises. You never have to prove anything.

I am however fairly certain it could be, because, logistics, manpower, supply lines etc. I will happily concede I can’t do so personally.