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PurpnGold · 2019-05-22T23:50:11.747Z

WuWei:

So I’m not a racist for agreeing that he has the right? I just want to be clear.

He has the right to say that. You are not racist for agreeing with his right to say it.

He DOES NOT have the right to actually deny someone based on race. Nor do I agree with that.

That
Is
Racist

One would be racist if they agreed with the statement and/or the act of denial based on race.

WuWei · 2019-05-22T23:55:30.481Z

PurpnGold:

He DOES NOT have the right to actually deny someone based on race.

Actually he does.

conan · 2019-05-22T23:59:22.828Z

You either believe in freedom of thought, freedom who you want to associate, freedom of idea’s or you don’t.

There isn’t much room for gray area. Once you walk into that gray area you never know where it will lead too.

For me that line is threats and intimidation.

PurpnGold · 2019-05-23T00:06:17.291Z

WuWei:

Actually he does.

From a business? Or private property?

Either was it’s still racist

PurpnGold · 2019-05-23T00:08:43.952Z

conan:

You either believe in freedom of thought, freedom who you want to associate, freedom of idea’s or you don’t.

There isn’t much room for gray area. Once you walk into that gray area you never know where it will lead too.

For me that line is threats and intimidation.

What gray area? His example is racist. Why is this up for debate?

conan · 2019-05-23T00:10:00.494Z

And racism comes in many forms. Libs policies had done more to harm minorities then some loud mouth IMO.

PurpnGold · 2019-05-23T00:20:38.303Z

conan:

And racism comes in many forms. Libs policies had done more to harm minorities then some loud mouth IMO.

So? I made no distinction on the types of racism.

I see that statement quite a bit from cons…but never comes with actual data.

I am a minority. I am in the 1% of income earners. Convince me that con policies are better me than lib ones? Particularly social ones (since it fits with our current topic)

WuWei · 2019-05-23T00:33:38.484Z

PurpnGold:

WuWei:

Actually he does.

From a business? Or private property?

Either was it’s still racist

His business he owns.

He has a right to be racist.

WuWei · 2019-05-23T00:34:48.185Z

PurpnGold:

conan:

And racism comes in many forms. Libs policies had done more to harm minorities then some loud mouth IMO.

So? I made no distinction on the types of racism.

I see that statement quite a bit from cons…but never comes with actual data.

I am a minority. I am in the 1% of income earners. Convince me that con policies are better me than lib ones? Particularly social ones (since it fits with our current topic)

Social policy? What do you mean?

PurpnGold · 2019-05-23T00:47:46.752Z

WuWei:

His business he owns.

He has a right to be racist.

You are conflating issues.

I’ve never said he doesn’t have the right to be racist.

WuWei · 2019-05-23T00:54:30.742Z

PurpnGold:

WuWei:

His business he owns.

He has a right to be racist.

You are conflating issues.

I’ve never said he doesn’t have the right to be racist.

No, two different responses to two different issues.

PurpnGold · 2019-05-23T00:58:14.144Z

WuWei:

Social policy? What do you mean?

Let’s just stick to discrimination laws. I consider that a social policy.

Zander · 2019-05-23T01:02:22.418Z

WuWei:

PurpnGold:

WuWei:

A business owner has the right to refuse service based on race.

Am I a racist?

I edited that post to include “or do”

So yes… I would consider you racist.

Good. Now how do I prove I’m not?

Who could possibly care?

PurpnGold · 2019-05-23T01:02:25.338Z

WuWei:

No, two different responses to two different issues.

And you keep asking the same questions over and over. This is my final answer.

A person has the right to be a racist.

A person does not have the right to deny a person from their place of business based on their race. The current law doesn’t allow it and I am ok with that. It seems like you want that type of discrimination to exist without punishment. As a minority, I do not agree.

WuWei · 2019-05-23T01:03:28.409Z

PurpnGold:

WuWei:

Social policy? What do you mean?

Let’s just stick to discrimination laws. I consider that a social policy.

Interesting, don’t the use the commerce clause to justify them?

WuWei · 2019-05-23T01:05:43.157Z

PurpnGold:

WuWei:

No, two different responses to two different issues.

And you keep asking the same questions over and over. This is my final answer.

A person has the right to be a racist.

A person does not have the right to deny a person from their place of business based on their race. The current law doesn’t allow it and I am ok with that. It seems like you want that type of discrimination to exist without punishment. As a minority, I do not agree.

Well see, that’s a problem for me. On the one hand you say I have a right. On the other hand you want to punish me for exercising it.

I’ve seen that before, now where was that…

Zander · 2019-05-23T01:22:53.145Z

WuWei:

PurpnGold:

WuWei:

No, two different responses to two different issues.

And you keep asking the same questions over and over. This is my final answer.

A person has the right to be a racist.

A person does not have the right to deny a person from their place of business based on their race. The current law doesn’t allow it and I am ok with that. It seems like you want that type of discrimination to exist without punishment. As a minority, I do not agree.

Well see, that’s a problem for me. On the one hand you say I have a right. On the other hand you want to punish me for exercising it.

I’ve seen that before, now where was that…

To use an extreme example -

One has the right to believe a black person should die tomorrow because he’s black.

One does not have the right to kill a black person tomorrow because he’s black.

Obviously, denying service is nothing like murder. But the principle is the same.

But FTR, you are right SCOTUS stretched the commerce clause farther than it ever has for PA laws. If you read the opinions, they explain their reasoning as best they can, but will always be a stretch.

Mountain_Soldier · 2019-05-23T10:57:51.136Z

You forget about Attack Watch?

TheRedComet · 2019-05-23T11:15:43.751Z

I find PA laws to be distasteful. I share Sneaky’s views on private property rights.

By the same token, I have a more practical reason for disliking PA laws. If someone who owns a business is a racist I would like to know about it. That way I don’t give my hard earned money to him or her.

I don’t want to support a racist’s lifestyle.

PurpnGold · 2019-05-23T13:45:19.305Z

TheRedComet:

I find PA laws to be distasteful. I share Sneaky’s views on private property rights.

By the same token, I have a more practical reason for disliking PA laws. If someone who owns a business is a racist I would like to know about it. That way I don’t give my hard earned money to him or her.

I don’t want to support a racist’s lifestyle.

I can see your point. I am still not ready to decriminalize racial discrimination. I am close on agreeing that maybe at the small business level, we can start decriminalizing it.

Also, I am not really THAT worried about decriminalizing PA in California. However the major of my family, and black people in general, live in the south. In my opinion, that area would be problematic.