Russia missile sale to Syria is 'significant escalation': U.S.' Bolton

STODR · 2018-09-25T04:26:32.150Z

There has been S-400 missiles in Syria since 2015.

WildRose · 2018-09-25T04:59:25.288Z

Which goes to show how ineffective they can be.

STODR · 2018-09-25T08:55:38.609Z

Depends on how you define effective. Has it shot anybody down no. Does it deny us some airspace or require us to request permission to into some airspace for most of our aircraft yes. Could we take them out and fly were wanted (assuming no DCA by the Russians) yes but at what cost?

WildRose · 2018-09-25T12:11:22.800Z

The Israelis have suffered no losses in taking them out and we’re even better equipped to do so than they are.

The “cost” would be letting them know we can have complete air superiority anytime we want it which would change the entire strategic equation as well as the eventual political outcome.

The SA400 is specifically designed to defend against high level bombing attacks and formations, not stealty low level fast movers which is why they have a separate batter to defend them which has proven to be rather easily defeated.

Defeat one and kill both.

johnrandolph · 2018-09-25T12:44:03.244Z

Bolton lives in perpetual fear that not nearly enough people are dying violently in the world.

WildRose · 2018-09-25T13:02:03.080Z

Well that has no basis in fact.

noSpaces · 2018-09-25T14:02:19.085Z

Providing the Syrians modern AA systems that are capable of distinguishing friend or foe that apparently their current system lacks would appear to limit the potential for such accidents as the one that occurred.

STODR · 2018-09-25T14:15:20.929Z

Dude I have only flown fighters for 30 years and now retired but been flying in Syria for last year as a contractor. Give me some credit. I know exactly what I am talking about

Drs · 2018-09-25T14:24:58.331Z

I would not be surprised if wildwrong is along sometime to tell you are wrong and he knows more and is never wrong.

STODR · 2018-09-25T14:42:20.352Z

He might but I see him as more prove me wrong and just moved on. He is confident in his beliefs until proven wrong like me.

WildRose · 2018-09-25T22:27:51.628Z

Show anything I’ve said on the subject to be false if you can.

WildRose · 2018-09-25T22:29:06.476Z

No, I’m simply dealing in fact. They have failed to take out even one of either our planes or one of the Israelis and the Israelis lack our latest tech as we wouldn’t export it even to them.

noSpaces · 2018-09-25T22:35:45.489Z

Ok Mods, this is where you jump in and realize the thread is departing a discussion of the topic into antagonism of individuals.

calirepub · 2018-09-25T22:49:18.180Z

noSpaces:

Ok Mods, this is where you jump in and realize the thread is departing a discussion of the topic into antagonism of individuals.

Go ahead and flag the post you find goes over the line.

JayJay · 2018-09-26T01:23:41.888Z

johnrandolph:

Bolton lives in perpetual fear that not nearly enough people are dying violently in the world.

Quoted for truth.

STODR · 2018-09-26T02:06:55.089Z

Israeli F-16 Was shot down

WildRose · 2018-09-26T02:09:38.729Z

Not on a Wild Weasel Mission and not by the SA300. It was shot down attacking Iranian targets in Syria.

DougBH · 2018-09-26T04:07:01.933Z

Airyaman:

Poor Bolton, wants to be tough on Russia but his boss won’t let him do much more than opine.

If Russia invaded Europe and started WWIII, threads on it would soon morph into attacks on Trump with no interest at all on the war.

CanadianJudo · 2018-09-26T04:40:46.346Z

I’m sure if the Iranian can shot down a jet the Russian can.

Airyaman · 2018-09-26T09:32:01.213Z

DougBH:

Airyaman:

Poor Bolton, wants to be tough on Russia but his boss won’t let him do much more than opine.

If Russia invaded Europe and started WWIII, threads on it would soon morph into attacks on Trump with no interest at all on the war.

Wait, did I miss something? Last I looked, Bolton was Trump’s APNSA.