Romney To Vote To Convict

[CanadianJudo]

@Blackwolf

@CanadianJudo

going to be funny watching Republican try to crawl back after Trump is gone…
how will they handle him on fox news every week when they are trying to run future elections.

I see it going the other way - Fox will bring on Donald for commentary frequently, fawning over him and referring to him as “Mr. President” in an almost worshipful tone. And they will decry the coarsening of society and the immorality of Americans, without a trace of irony as they do so.

I wounder if future Republican will have to go kiss his golden ring before running for Office.

[Blackwolf]

Certainly will need Donald’s wee thumbs up if a candidate expects the support of the Trumpist wing of the GOP.

[DougBH]

@NebraskaFootball

Self-enrichment and preservation of power was far and away the most important thing to all of them but Romney. History will forever associate every last one of them with this traitor.

So…people who disagree with me on policy are only interested in power and wealth. People who agree with my position are moral and virtuous and others are evil. It is never a matter of looking at things in different ways, God is on my side and the devil on theirs.

Pretty close?

Its amazing that Democrats and anti Trumpers not only have the ability to get inside his mind to tell us exactly what his motivations are but also the virtue or lack of virtue in his supporters.

With all this ability, one has to wonder why they keep losing.

[toreyj01]

@NebraskaFootball

@conan

There was a legal course libs could have taken…but libs didn’t.

Why?

If this is an honest question, then the answer is two-fold.

1. The Constitution explicitly spells out the powers for each branch of government in an impeachment.

2. Don McGahn has been winding through the courts for 9+ months now. Trump is actively (even to this day) trying to use foreign governments and influence to cheat on the election that is slated to occur in 9 months. Using the courts to delay adjudication is not an acceptable remedy for the abuse of power committed.

And honestly, you know it too. Had Obama done to Romney what Trump has done to Biden here, you would have been standing shoulder to shoulder with me demanding his impeachment. But Trump…

I agree, and I would add that the House has the sole power of impeachment, not the Courts. They should have enormous latitude in obtaining materials pertinent to the impending articles without having to course through the Court system for each and every item. When the Constitution was drafted there wasn’t all of these lower courts anyways.

So it should be an expedited SCOTUS ruling or simply enforceable upon request without the need for a court ruling. Again, for impeachment only.

[Snagglepuss]

@DougBH

@NebraskaFootball

Self-enrichment and preservation of power was far and away the most important thing to all of them but Romney. History will forever associate every last one of them with this traitor.

So…people who disagree with me on policy are only interested in power and wealth. People who agree with my position are moral and virtuous and others are evil. It is never a matter of looking at things in different ways, God is on my side and the devil on theirs.

Pretty close?

Its amazing that Democrats and anti Trumpers not only have the ability to get inside his mind to tell us exactly what his motivations are but also the virtue or lack of virtue in his supporters.

With all this ability, one has to wonder why they keep losing.

Great googley-moogley Doug…do you honestly have no sense of irony?

[NebraskaFootball]

@DougBH

@NebraskaFootball

Self-enrichment and preservation of power was far and away the most important thing to all of them but Romney. History will forever associate every last one of them with this traitor.

So…people who disagree with me on policy are only interested in power and wealth. People who agree with my position are moral and virtuous and others are evil. It is never a matter of looking at things in different ways, God is on my side and the devil on theirs.

Pretty close?

Its amazing that Democrats and anti Trumpers not only have the ability to get inside his mind to tell us exactly what his motivations are but also the virtue or lack of virtue in his supporters.

With all this ability, one has to wonder why they keep losing.

These are not policy disagreements. And my post was referencing the cowards in the Senate that decided to trash their oaths in order to protect a known criminal who has now been placed above the Constitution, the rule of law, and all accountability.

Everything I have ever believed in the Republican Party is now officially dead and gone. Lincoln, Goldwater, and Reagan’s party is dead. And all for a two-bit conman East Coast demagogue who embodies the worst of humanity.

[NebraskaFootball]

@toreyj01

@NebraskaFootball

@conan

There was a legal course libs could have taken…but libs didn’t.

Why?

If this is an honest question, then the answer is two-fold.

1. The Constitution explicitly spells out the powers for each branch of government in an impeachment.

2. Don McGahn has been winding through the courts for 9+ months now. Trump is actively (even to this day) trying to use foreign governments and influence to cheat on the election that is slated to occur in 9 months. Using the courts to delay adjudication is not an acceptable remedy for the abuse of power committed.

And honestly, you know it too. Had Obama done to Romney what Trump has done to Biden here, you would have been standing shoulder to shoulder with me demanding his impeachment. But Trump…

I agree, and I would add that the House has the sole power of impeachment, not the Courts. They should have enormous latitude in obtaining materials pertinent to the impending articles without having to course through the Court system for each and every item. When the Constitution was drafted there wasn’t all of these lower courts anyways.

So it should be an expedited SCOTUS ruling or simply enforceable upon request without the need for a court ruling. Again, for impeachment only.

Exactly. Another very good point. Abusing the Judiciary as a means to prevent a co-equal branch of government from performing their Constitutional duties, in an impeachment, is simply unacceptable and wrong.

[DougBH]

And did the House Dems request a SCOTUS ruling in order to go around these lower courts? No, they just decided to impeach and let the Senate resolve everything.
Which the Senate did admirably.

[altair1013]

@Snagglepuss

I voted for Kasich in the primary. Worst vote I’ve ever made.

Not the worst…I guarantee it.

Time to back up your guarantee. Who was worse than Kasich?

After this, I’m done with impeachment as should everyone else be. It’s yesterday’s news.

[Kelby]

@DougBH

And did the House Dems request a SCOTUS ruling in order to go around these lower courts? No, they just decided to impeach and let the Senate resolve everything.
Which the Senate did admirably.

Completely misses the point. The House should NOT have to do that when conducting an impeachment investigation. It throws the idea of co-equal branches of government out the window. Since the House has the position of oversight, they need to be given authority to conduct any investigation in the way they see fit.

[DougBH]

@Kelby

@DougBH

And did the House Dems request a SCOTUS ruling in order to go around these lower courts? No, they just decided to impeach and let the Senate resolve everything.
Which the Senate did admirably.

Completely misses the point. The House should NOT have to do that when conducting an impeachment investigation. It throws the idea of co-equal branches of government out the window. Since the House has the position of oversight, they need to be given authority to conduct any investigation in the way they see fit.

If they were co equal, then the executive would be equal with the Congress. Therefore, if Congress demanded documents from the President, then the President could equally say no, and that would be the end of the issue.
NO, the Supreme Court is as powerful as it has become because it has become historically, going back to Marbury v Madison, the decider in separation of power issues.
Under this theory about impeachments being somehow different, all Congress would have to do is start an impeachment hearing as soon as the election was over and a new President was in, and demand every record that went through the WH.

[NebraskaFootball]

@DougBH

And did the House Dems request a SCOTUS ruling in order to go around these lower courts? No, they just decided to impeach and let the Senate resolve everything.
Which the Senate did admirably.

You completely missed the point both @toreyj01 and myself were making.

[DougBH]

No I didn’t. Its just that I am right.

[Snagglepuss]

@altair1013

Time to back up your guarantee. Who was worse than Kasich?

Take a wild guess…just because you don’t believe he was a worse choice doesn’t mean he wasn’t. History will be the judge of that, and I’d bet my last dollar it won’t be in your side’s favor.

[NebraskaFootball]

@DougBH

No I didn’t. Its just that I am right.

Sure you did. And @Kelby pointed it out. You’re not right. What happened was not right.

The most irritating thing about all of this is that if Obama had done to Romney in 2012, asking a foreign government to announce a corruption investigation into him and his family, and using Congressionally approved funds as extortion, which is what Trump did to Biden, you would be standing shoulder to shoulder with me demanding his impeachment for such an egregious abuse of power.

But Trump

[Kelby]

@DougBH

@Kelby

@DougBH

And did the House Dems request a SCOTUS ruling in order to go around these lower courts? No, they just decided to impeach and let the Senate resolve everything.
Which the Senate did admirably.

Completely misses the point. The House should NOT have to do that when conducting an impeachment investigation. It throws the idea of co-equal branches of government out the window. Since the House has the position of oversight, they need to be given authority to conduct any investigation in the way they see fit.

If they were co equal, then the executive would be equal with the Congress. Therefore, if Congress demanded documents from the President, then the President could equally say no, and that would be the end of the issue.
NO, the Supreme Court is as powerful as it has become because it has become historically, going back to Marbury v Madison, the decider in separation of power issues.
Under this theory about impeachments being somehow different, all Congress would have to do is start an impeachment hearing as soon as the election was over and a new President was in, and demand every record that went through the WH.

The president doesn’t get to say “No” to House investigation during an impeachment inquiry without hazarding an article of obstruction, which is what this president did, probably knowing that he had a majority in the Senate who would ignore it, which is what they did.

The idea that every House will now conduct impeachments of every president is silly. This president has been begging for it since his obstruction of the Russia investigation.

[altair1013]

@Snagglepuss

Take a wild guess…just because you don’t believe he was a worse choice doesn’t mean he wasn’t. History will be the judge of that, and I’d bet my last dollar it won’t be in your side’s favor.

I’m done with impeachment as should everyone else be. It’s yesterday’s news.

[NebraskaFootball]

Judge Napolitano once again astutely nails it. Along with Romney, he is a dying breed among the right wing of this country. Men with principles who believe in the rule of law and the Constitution.

Judge Andrew Napolitano: Despite his impeachment trial acquittal, Trump...

The contempt of Congress consisted of Trump’s orders to subordinates to disregard congressional subpoenas. Both Republican- and Democratic-controlled Houses of Representatives have deemed such presidential instructions in an impeachment inquiry as impeachable

Trump will luxuriate in his victory. But the personal victory for him is a legal assault on the Constitution. The president has taken an oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution. Instead, he has trashed it.

[Snagglepuss]

@altair1013

@Snagglepuss

Take a wild guess…just because you don’t believe he was a worse choice doesn’t mean he wasn’t. History will be the judge of that, and I’d bet my last dollar it won’t be in your side’s favor.

I’m done with impeachment as should everyone else be. It’s yesterday’s news.

What does impeachment have to do with what I said?

[DougBH]

No I wouldn’t. You would be defending Obama.

See how easy.