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On phone, can’t quote the Constitution , but fairly certain it’s been quoted at nauseam in this thread. Also, read any article about the case and it will direct you to the exact language you are looking for. Can address this question more later.

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It doesn’t have to be found unconstitutional. It could just be against the law.

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Then shouldn’t we take race off the list then? You know to make it a color blind drawing?

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Those would be required for the VRA.

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What law specifies that the citizenship question shouldn’t appear on the census?

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So THAT can be used to draw lines, but citizen or not somehow is unconstitutional?

I think if one is, the other is. If one is allowed the other should be.

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If the question is written specifically to suppress specific minority communities, wouldn’t that question, therefore, be against the VRA?

It’s not the question that’s the issue. It’s the intentions of the people asking the question. If there’s no actual purpose for the question, it shouldn’t be asked. So far the only reason I have been given for the question to be asked is to suppress ethnic communities.

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Same here.

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There’s a law, it must be followed. There is no law stating you have to have a citizenship question.

This wouldn’t be an issue if they had a reason for it.

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So there is no law saying the citizenship question can’t be asked?

And wouldn’t that law be in violation of the constitution (asking race) of the disenfranchising people by gerrymandering?

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How is it suppressing ANY CITIZEN from voting?

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It’s the same logic they use to think that IDs disenfranchise minorities. How many minorities don’t buy things that need an ID, or drive, or write checks, or open bank accounts…or any of the plethora of other things that require IDs.

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I don’t know how many. Do you know how many?

Hypothetically, if it’s one million, is that enough? If not, how many is enough?

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This will give you the gist of the primary arguments. From just one of the amici -

https://www.theusconstitution.org/litigation/11570/

If you really want a deep dive, I can probably find the brief of the petitioners and you can spend some hours reading some case law.

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Other then the documented fact that this was precisely what the GOP implemented and intend to do.

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Can I find things some random dead leftist said and attribute it to be the reason a whole party thinks it should be done? There’s some real doozies out there.

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Rando…:joy:

" Hofeller was one of the key players in the wildly successful 2010 REDMAP initiative. In response to President Obama’s victory and the demographic changes in America, REDMAP used big data and dark money to flip otherwise obscure state-level races. That, in turn, flipped several state legislatures, which promptly redrew dozens of electoral maps to favor whites over non-whites, Republicans over Democrats.

Those maps, too, were the creation of Hofeller and his team.

REDMAP’s efforts were so successful that in 2016, despite winning fewer than half of all votes for the House in 2016, Republicans still held an advantage of 241 to 194. In Wisconsin, the most slanted electoral map in memory gave Republicans 60 percent of the seats in the state assembly despite winning only 47 percent of the vote. In Pennsylvania, 44 percent of voters are Democrats, but only 33 percent of its congressional representatives."

"Another was a ghostwritten letter, drafted by Hofeller, requesting the citizenship question. This exact language was placed into the Department of Justice request of the Commerce Department that administers the census. That request is at the center of the Supreme Court case. "

rando…:joy:

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Is he some random guy who just “said” this, or did he literally write the question that ended up as official government policy?

Batter up, dude.

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As I said… they are saying the quiet parts out loud

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Once Trump won they could hardly hold in their excitement

Finally an empty vessel they could use and discard later