Revealed: Trump Officials Trying to Rig Elections for Whites

WuWei · 2019-05-31T00:33:22.711Z

adroit:

The topic at hand is the census…

JayJay:

The 26th Amendment says diddly squat about the census, but thanks for playing.

#citizenlivesmatter

JayJay · 2019-05-31T00:35:49.838Z

Ah- is this the game we’re playing?

Guntsu · 2019-05-31T00:38:24.823Z

Trumpers cant seem to make the connection that not everyone here legally is a citizen…

Snow96 · 2019-05-31T00:45:14.153Z

Should be a slam dunk case for the administration in front of the supreme court.

Layout all the census from becoming a country until 1950. Show the judges that the quesion is NOT uncommon in the history of the country or the censes.

Then look at each judge in turn then ask them. If it was unconstitutional then, what part of the constitution has been changed by congress and the states that would make it unconstitutional now.

Axxowiz · 2019-05-31T01:17:07.674Z

Sadly not far from the truth

highroller · 2019-05-31T01:32:53.165Z

What were the reason for those questions? Would that be pertinent information or is the question being asked on the form justification in and of itself?

Snow96 · 2019-05-31T01:38:54.722Z

Why doesn’t there need to be one.

As I’ve stated, it was on previous census for quite some time.

So how would it be unconstitutional?

highroller · 2019-05-31T01:45:34.552Z

Well, if the purpose is to disenfranchise ethnic communities, wouldn’t that run afoul of the voting rights act?

I am not saying the illegals have the constitutional right, but their purpose as stated in the letter to disenfranchise the community including US citizens.

You would also have to see why the question was asked previously. What was the purpose in the 1800s vs today? Could it be they were counting slaves back then due to the 3/5 compromise?

JayJay · 2019-05-31T01:47:40.276Z

Snow96:

Why doesn’t there need to be one.

As I’ve stated, it was on previous census for quite some time.

So how would it be unconstitutional?

It has never ever been asked of every single American.

It has only ever been asked before on the long form Census (which now no longer exists, having been replaced by the annual American Community Survey), which only 17% of the population ever received.

When it was asked in previous questionnaires, it was only asked as a follow-up question if a person marked down that they were foreign-born.

So you are incorrect. This is fundamentally different…and the reasons why it’s being asked will matter.

NPR

FACT CHECK: Has Citizenship Been A Standard Census Question?

White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said a question about U.S. citizenship was included in every census from 1965 to 2000. Census history tells a more nuanced story.

Snow96 · 2019-05-31T01:52:48.991Z

Maybe we should resort to some questions on the 1930 census

Person’s place of birth

Person’s father’s place of birth

Person’s mother’s place of birth

Language spoken in home before coming to the United States

Year of immigration into the United States

Is the person naturalized or an alien?

Is the person able to speak English?

numbers of questions were put in by the board software but here are the questions in 1930 (and it was based on the 1910 and 1920 questions)

census.gov

1930 - History - U.S. Census Bureau

A description and a listing of the questions that appeared on the 1930 questionnaire

By 1950 this is what it changed to:

Race

Sex

How old was this person on his last birthday?

Is this person now married, widowed, divorced, separated, or never married?

Enumerators were to enter “Mar” for married, “Wd” for widowed, “D” for divorced, “Sep” for separated, or “Nev” for never married

What State or country was the person born in?

If foreign born, is the person naturalized?

census.gov

1950 (Population) - History - U.S. Census Bureau

A description and a listing of the population-related questions that appeared on the 1950 questionnaire

By 1970, it was off the regular census and onto the “long form” that went to 1 in 6 households

The following questions were asked of only a sample of respondents

Where was this person born?

Is this person’s origin or descent…
* Mexican
* Puerto Rican
* Cuban
* Central or South American
* Other Spanish
* None of these

What country was the person’s father born in?

What country was the person’s mother born in?

For persons born in a foreign country- Is the person naturalized?

WHen did the person come to the United States to stay?

What language, other than English, was spoken in the person’s home as a child?

Spanish

French

German

Other

None, only English

census.gov

1970 (Population) - History - U.S. Census Bureau

A description and a listing of the population-related questions that appeared on the 1970 questionnaire

1990 was the last year of the long form to a small sample of those filling out census forms and again we have:

The following questions were asked of a sample of respondents:

In what U.S. State or foreign country was this person born?

Is this person a citizen of the United States?

If this person was not born in the United States, when did this person come to the United States to stay?

At any time since February 1, 1990, has this person attended regular
school or college?

How much school has this person completed?

What is this person’s ancestory or ethnic origin?

Did this person live in this house or apartment 5 years ago?

If no, where did this person live 5 years ago?

Does this person speak a language other than English at home?

If yes, what is this language?

If yes, how well does this person speak English?

Oh wait. Look – long form again in 2000

What is this person’s ancestry or ethnic origin?

Does this person speak a language other than English at home?

What is this language?

How well does this person speak English?

What state or country was this person from?

Is this person a citizen of the United States?

If the person was not born in the United States, when did he come to live in the United States?

Revealed: Trump Officials Trying to Rig Elections for Whites Politics

What were the reason for those questions? Would that be pertinent information or is the question being asked on the form justification in and of itself?

Guess the information I read that it dissappeared from the census in 1960 was only partially correct.

Maybe we should just back to a short form and a long form that goes to 1 in 6 people.

Snow96 · 2019-05-31T01:55:07.843Z

Up to 1960 it was on the questionair that all go.

It has been on the long form for 1 in 6 up until 2000.

JayJay · 2019-05-31T02:00:03.235Z

Snow96:

Up to 1960 it was on the questionair that all go.

It has been on the long form for 1 in 6 up until 2000.

Did you have trouble comprehending what I told you?

All you did was repeat what I said with a little more detail.

In 1960 all they asked was where was the person born…they didn’t ask about citizenship.

These other forms you’re mentioning? The citizenship question was a follow-up to whether the person answered if they were born in another country.

And i said it was on the long form- which only 17% of the population got (or 1 in 6 people).

In trying to refute me, you supported what I said- the question has never been asked of every single person on the census…and the reasons why it’s being added now will matter.

Snow96 · 2019-05-31T02:00:10.757Z

Oh looky here

1820 census

Number of foreigners not naturalized

aka number of NON CITIZENS

So basically we have from 1820 to 2010 190 years the question was asked in some form on the US census (either in the regular census or long form to a limited number).

Now tell me how in the name of all that is holly can something that was done for 190 years be unconstitutional?

Zander · 2019-05-31T02:02:48.614Z

Snow96:

Should be a slam dunk case for the administration in front of the supreme court.

Layout all the census from becoming a country until 1950. Show the judges that the quesion is NOT uncommon in the history of the country or the censes.

Then look at each judge in turn then ask them. If it was unconstitutional then, what part of the constitution has been changed by congress and the states that would make it unconstitutional now.

Was the constitutionality of the question ever challenged, back when it was used?

If not, the federal appellate courts (most notably scotus), never had an opportunity to address the issue. That would be akin to, “we’ve always had segregation, and therefore its constitutional”

Also, “we’ve always been doing it this way” or “we used to do it this way” is notoriously bad argument to make to SCOTUS. Typically, the reason scotus grants cert is because at least four justices don’t like the way somethings always been done, and that’s precisely why you’re standing in front of them.

Snow96 · 2019-05-31T02:02:56.571Z

I stand corrected. If you were naturalized didn’t appear in 1960, but re-appeared in 1970. on the long form, and was aksed in 1980, 1990, and 2000.

Snow96 · 2019-05-31T02:03:34.589Z

Under what part of the constitution would it be unconstitutional.

Please quote.

JayJay · 2019-05-31T02:05:09.548Z

Snow96:

Under what part of the constitution would it be unconstitutional.

Please quote.

The part where it’s being done to change the way voting districts are drawn to disenfranchise people.

Zander · 2019-05-31T02:06:15.273Z

Snow96:

Under what part of the constitution would it be unconstitutional.

Please quote.

On phone, can’t quote the Constitution , but fairly certain it’s been quoted at nauseam in this thread. Also, read any article about the case and it will direct you to the exact language you are looking for. Can address this question more later.

highroller · 2019-05-31T02:09:21.836Z

It doesn’t have to be found unconstitutional. It could just be against the law.

Snow96 · 2019-05-31T02:09:26.530Z

Then shouldn’t we take race off the list then? You know to make it a color blind drawing?