Republican discussed violent attacks and surveillance with rightwingers

Paul_Thomson · 2019-04-22T14:02:50.921Z

Excast: “What is the appropriate response to Nazis and white nationalists?”

Me: Debate and counter arguments that make more sense to rational people. But Democrats are not able to rally rational arguments against even those they imagine to be White Supremacists. I suspect that if Dems tried to argue against the White Supremacist views they imagine various individuals hold, they would find that those individuals also reject those same white supremacist tenets. But it’s easier to call black conservatives White Supremacists, and conservative Jews anti-Semites, even though that makes no sense at all.

Bodecea · 2019-04-22T14:19:01.748Z

armycowboy:

FloridaYankee:

The rage is only getting worse. It wouldn’t shock me at all to see widespread political fueled violence in this country within the next 10-20 years.

Or if Trump loses in a close race in 2020 and goes ballistic with lies about rigged elections………………

This is a very real concern. Furthermore, when Trump leaves office, be it in 2020 or 2024, it’s not like he’ll follow the lead of previous presidents who have gone quietly into retirement. He’ll be tweeting and chiming in on Fox and other media outlets until the day he dies.

Back to Howard Stern.

Oryx · 2019-04-22T16:00:16.992Z

Steel-W0LF:

Everyone is anti-fascist…except the actual anti-fascists.

Haha. And the fascists. You forgot them.

Paul_Thomson · 2019-04-22T17:32:09.943Z

There is nothing wrong with white people being patriots/nationalists, i.e. white nationalists. If you mean White Supremacists, then use that term. Don’t slander white people who are nationalists with implication that they are ipso facto supremacists.

bluedogdem · 2019-04-22T17:33:29.487Z

Whaaaaaaa?

Excast · 2019-04-22T17:34:02.225Z

Paul_Thomson:

There is nothing wrong with white people being patriots/nationalists, i.e. white nationalists. If you mean White Supremacists, then use that term. Don’t slander white people who are nationalists with implication that they are ipso facto supremacists.

-blinks-

Paul_Thomson · 2019-04-22T17:37:02.214Z

“If you see Republicans in a restaurant or a petrol station, gather a crowd , get in their face and tell them they are not welcome.” Such incitement to children with no emotional self-control is a exhortation to them to mob violence, because that is the inevitable end result of such brats getting together with a crowd of fellow brats.

CaughtInTheMiddle · 2019-04-22T17:38:23.661Z

Excast:

Paul_Thomson:

There is nothing wrong with white people being patriots/nationalists, i.e. white nationalists. If you mean White Supremacists, then use that term. Don’t slander white people who are nationalists with implication that they are ipso facto supremacists.

-blinks-

Who was the poster here that said he was a proud white nationalist? Before he knew what it meant.

Excast · 2019-04-22T17:41:18.190Z

CaughtInTheMiddle:

Who was the poster here that said he was a proud white nationalist? Before he knew what it meant.

It’s hard to keep track of all of the insane remarks around here.

reflechissez · 2019-04-22T17:52:12.972Z

CaughtInTheMiddle:

Excast:

Paul_Thomson:

There is nothing wrong with white people being patriots/nationalists, i.e. white nationalists. If you mean White Supremacists, then use that term. Don’t slander white people who are nationalists with implication that they are ipso facto supremacists.

-blinks-

Who was the poster here that said he was a proud white nationalist? Before he knew what it meant.

spiderman

Paul_Thomson · 2019-04-22T17:55:12.562Z

Antifa is not anti-fascist. They are anti-conservative. They CLAIM to be anti-fascist, but they themselves behave just like fascists, except their aim is a global authoritarian dictatorship rather than individual national authoritarian dictatorships. They call anyone right of themselves fascists to justify their incontinent rage against anyone who disagrees with global socialism.

Cratic3947 · 2019-04-22T18:21:05.588Z

FloridaYankee:

Excast:

The rage is only getting worse. It wouldn’t shock me at all to see widespread political fueled violence in this country within the next 10-20 years.

Or if Trump loses in a close race in 2020 and goes ballistic with lies about rigged elections………………

You mean like the way the dems have with 2016…?

Borgia_dude · 2019-04-22T21:15:51.153Z

DougBH:

Borgia_dude:

DougBH:

Waters actually expressed threats

Not saying you are wrong, I’d just like to read what she said. Can you provide the link?

Sure.
And from a source you will trust.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/25/politics/maxine-waters-trump-officials/index.htmlhttps://www.cnn.com/2018/06/25/politics/maxine-waters-trump-officials/index.html

No fault of yours but my phone doesn’t like that link for some reason (blank screen). Can you provide another. Apologies.

FloridaYankee · 2019-04-22T22:03:35.540Z

Cratic3947:

FloridaYankee:

Excast:

The rage is only getting worse. It wouldn’t shock me at all to see widespread political fueled violence in this country within the next 10-20 years.

Or if Trump loses in a close race in 2020 and goes ballistic with lies about rigged elections………………

You mean like the way the dems have with 2016…?

It was Trump who said five million illegals voted.

calirepub · 2019-04-22T22:44:16.605Z

Looks like he pasted it twice.

CNN – 25 Jun 18

Maxine Waters encourages supporters to harass Trump administration officials...

Rep. Maxine Waters called on her supporters to publicly confront and harass members of the Trump administration in response to the “zero tolerance” policy that led to the separation of families at the border.

From @DougBH link

“If you see anybody from that Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd. And you push back on them. And you tell them they’re not welcome anymore, anywhere. We’ve got to get the children connected to their parents. We don’t know what damage has been done to these children. All that we know is they’re in cages. They’re in prisons. They’re in jails. I don’t care what they call it, that’s where they are and Mr. President, we will see you every day, every hour of the day, everywhere that we are to let you know you cannot get away with this,”

Waters, however, did not call for physical harm to the officials or harassment against Trump’s supporters.

SottoVoce · 2019-04-22T23:04:40.335Z

Paul_Thomson:

“If you see Republicans in a restaurant or a petrol station, gather a crowd , get in their face and tell them they are not welcome.” Such incitement to children with no emotional self-control is a exhortation to them to mob violence, because that is the inevitable end result of such brats getting together with a crowd of fellow brats.

So there was no threat of violence. Just the fears and hurt feelings of some on the right. Thanks for clearing that up.

DougBH · 2019-04-22T23:08:25.442Z

It looks like that link was somehow double copied. Delete the second https:…

Borgia_dude · 2019-04-23T01:08:00.813Z

DougBH:

It looks like that link was somehow double copied. Delete the second https:…

Ok, thanks. It doesn’t appear that Watters made threats of physical violence, right? I’m not sure that is comparable to someone who is talking about physically attacking someone else. Wouldn’t you agree? It seems like you are drawing a false equivalence here.

DougBH · 2019-04-23T02:23:41.968Z

Hmmm…if you see them create a crowd. Push back on them…

hmmmm…

Borgia_dude · 2019-04-23T07:45:58.563Z

DougBH:

Hmmm…if you see them create a crowd. Push back on them…

hmmmm…

I see your confusion now, you aren’t familiar with the term.

[INTRANSITIVE] to resist a change that has been introduced

Hope this helps and now you can move forward knowing Watters didn’t call for violence.