Reparations, the big freaken lie!

[Vigilante]

@PurpnGold

@Vigilante

No. The Union went to war to save the Union and Blacks Emancipation was a result of that.

Exactly. So this point that the Union went to war to free black slaves is not true. And only if it were true, would I say that can be considered a form of reparation.

@Vigilante

To your second question I think its subjective and your question doesn’t relate well to the point you are trying to make.

What makes it subjective? Under the framework of the constitution, black people should have never been considered property. Excuse me if I don’t go around thanking the Union for winning a war based on politics and getting black people rights the should have already had the minute the constitution was ratified.

What makes it subjective is the question you posed. I didnt see it as relative. Times are different now. You cant go back and pay for the common thinking at the time. Im not excusing it. But I dont feel its worthy of reperations. Heres a relative concept. Lance Armstrong did illegal drugs to in his mind win 7 Tour de Frances. However at the time everybody was doing the same drugs so nobody really had an edge. Any rider in contention has been caught and been sanctioned for doing illegal drugs. Armstrongs titles and medals have been stripped. Should he continue to be punished or can we move forward?

[Vigilante]

@biggestal99

@biggestal99

The states governments that allowed slavery should pay.

5% reperations tax paid to fund tuition to college.

Allan

Also another 5% sales tax for those states with Jim Crow laws.

All money goes for the same purpose.

Allan

What about reparations to Women? Hell up until the 70’s they couldn’t get s mortgage or a Credit Card without s Mans signature. There is still unequal pay and misogyny in the workplace. Shouldn’t women all get cut a check?

[Vigilante]

Its truly privilege that defines white or male guilt. Except some of us haven’t been exposed to that privilege and dont feel compelled to suffer

[ImRightYoureWrong]

What if we just give them a state of their own like we did in Israel after WW2. Give them Texas or something

[Vigilante]

@ImRightYoureWrong

What if we just give them a state of their own like we did in Israel after WW2. Give them Texas or something

Personally Im fine with getting rid of Texas. My wife would feel different. Israel should be dissolved immediately.

[ImRightYoureWrong]

At least get rid of the cowboys NFL team

[TheRedComet]

I honestly believe it would cause more problems than it would solve.

I would qualify for reparations but I don’t want anything to do with it. I didn’t suffer. Hell I was raised by whites. Culturally speaking I’m not even really black I guess.

So I would refuse to accept it. I wasn’t a victim of the crimes.

As for anyone else, to each their own.

[FloridaYankee]

@TheRedComet

I honestly believe it would cause more problems than it would solve.

I would qualify for reparations but I don’t want anything to do with it. I didn’t suffer. Hell I was raised by whites. Culturally speaking I’m not even really black I guess.

So I would refuse to accept it. I wasn’t a victim of the crimes.

As for anyone else, to each their own.

Even a super low interest mortgage or free college tuition?

[MidwestIndy]

@zantax

@PurpnGold

@Jamerican

1. 8 - 10 years of tax free living
2. For those who qualify academically and are descendants, free education
3. Equal the playing field when it comes to HBCU’s. Give the same amount of endowments and funding to these schools as PWI’s. Recently the HBCU’s here in Maryland won a case in against the state in which Maryland was not equally distributing funds to UMES, Morgan State, Coppin State and Bowie State as they were to U. of Maryland College Park, UMBC, UMAB, Towson, Salisbury and Frostburg. What’s even more crazy one can actually see the difference. For example, I went to UMES which is 12 miles south of Salisbury. The schools have a collaboration in which students can take courses at either institution. However, even though it’s way better now but back when I was in school the facilities at Salisbury were way superior to those at UMES.
4. Increase Capital and/or investment for small black owned businesses.
5. Increase funding for better academic programs and upgrade school facilities in predominate black communities. For example Prince George’s County here in Maryland has the highest percentage of middle class African Americans than any county in the the country. However, many of our schools suck, compared to our neighbors in Anne Arundel, Calvert, Charles, Montgomery and Howard(especially Howard). We have the highest property taxes in the state, but get little in return as it relates to our school system. Now once again, schools are getting better, but there is still a VERY long way to go.

I can go on and on and it does not require writing individual checks to people. Also, I don’t care about the role southern democrats or republicans. This is an America situation on a whole, so this transcends party. America has not been kind to black people despite the fact that we built this place. If it wasn’t for folks that look like me, America would not be the country it is today. Unfortunately, the sins of the past are still with us and systematically it needs to change rather you like it or not

I like all of these ideas but especially 1 and 4.

I would actually do federal tax free for life. For descendants of slaves.

And/or I would setup a fund for black owned business where the approval isn’t dependent on credit. Just dependent on a well documented business plan. I would also have funding to setup workshops for development of those business plans.

I would also allow non descendants of slaves the opportunity to get small business dollars if they want to open up businesses in areas of high minority population.

Do that and watch millions of white Americans refuse to pay their taxes. What will the government do when that happens? Put millions in jail?

The same thing the government does when anyone owes taxes. Sicks the IRS on them and they get their money, they are quite good at it.

[MidwestIndy]

@zantax

@FloridaYankee

@zantax

Bottom line is, there is no earthly reason I or my children should have to pay for any past wrongs, we didn’t commit them.

No, but your government did. Governments are quite often held liable for their actions.

You let me know when the government has it’s own money, until then, I will not support them using mine to pay for something I didn’t have anything to do with.

Yes you will, you already do in a whole lot of ways.

[TheRedComet]

I mean those things are nice.

But I don’t deserve them.

I didn’t suffer, I will have some generational wealth (land) from my family, who are white.

[WorldWatcher]

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Sorry, not into the whole reparations thing. Don’t get me wrong, slavery was a terrible thing. Jim Crow was a terrible shame. Discrimination was and is a terrible shame. That portion of our history, our roots is a black stain on what it means to be an American.

Reparations simply because you had a slave in your ancestry or are 1/32 Cherokee? Sorry no.

Now, programs to help the economically disadvantage independent of ancestry? That is a worthy discussion.

I work with a woman of African-American decent. Wonderful woman. Smart, dedicated and usually gets my dry sense of humor. (She gets extra points for that.) She and her husband’s combined income is about the same as my wife’s and mine. Both are families are college educated professionals living the American dream of raising our families, home ownership, and putting some stash away for retirement.

They don’t need “reparations” any more that my wife and I. I left home at 18 with nothing but the clothes on my back and loving parents who hoped they had done a good job. I’d call us lower middle-class, always a roof over our heads and meals on the table, but they just couldn’t afford to pack me off to college. Now I have a Master’s and make decent money. We did better for our children then our parents could do for us, we scrimped and saved to help them get through college without crushing debt.

People don’t need hand outs, they need a hand up and the willingness to take it and make something of themselves. The outstretched hand should’t be pulled back because of the color of your skin.
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[AmusedObserver]

@zantax

You let me know when the government has it’s own money, until then, I will not support them using mine to pay for something I didn’t have anything to do with.

Tacit approval of everything the government is currently spending money on, then. Otherwise, could you please share with us what percentage of your calculated taxes you hold back in righteous disapproval?

[ImRightYoureWrong]

@zantax

You let me know when the government has it’s own money

What does that even mean

[PurpnGold]

@TheRedComet

I would qualify for reparations but I don’t want anything to do with it. I didn’t suffer. Hell I was raised by whites. Culturally speaking I’m not even really black I guess.

So I would refuse to accept it. I wasn’t a victim of the crimes.

As for anyone else, to each their own.

Suuuuuuuuure… I’m in the top 5% and I’d take that ■■■■ in a heartbeat. We all take advantage of a lot of stuff we didn’t ourselves earn. Does that mean we can’t take it?

You mentioned an inheritance… why would you take that and not reparations?

[PurpnGold]

@WorldWatcher

They don’t need “reparations” any more that my wife and I.

Who said anything about “need”?

[biggestal99]

@Vigilante

Shouldn’t women all get cut a check?

Title IX in 1972.

That’s a nice check indeed.

Allan

[TheRedComet]

It was offered by my family, not paid for by people who aren’t related to me.

[zantax]

@AmusedObserver

@zantax

You let me know when the government has it’s own money, until then, I will not support them using mine to pay for something I didn’t have anything to do with.

Tacit approval of everything the government is currently spending money on, then. Otherwise, could you please share with us what percentage of your calculated taxes you hold back in righteous disapproval?

Did you skip the part where I said I wouldn’t support it? I don’t support or condone everything the government spends money on now and I won’t support or condone this. Are you seriously attempting to argue that because the government already spends money on things I don’t support I must therefore support reparations? Boggles the mind.

[zantax]

Sorry, that only works as long as it’s a relatively tiny fraction of the people out of compliance. They don’t have the resources or the political will to go after millions of people if any real substantial number of them decided not to comply.