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gooddad409 · 2020-07-02T13:40:56.161Z

PurpnGold:

gooddad409:

The BS is in asking for reparations for things that never affected those living today.

You keep saying this but it isn’t true. You think 350 years of Government mandated, racial oppression left ZERO impacts on people 1-2 generations removed from it.

We still talk about the impacts of the “New Deal” today. But we can’t talk about the impacts of Slavery and Jim Crow? Get real.

gooddad409:

No reparations for jim crow. It was a bad time in history but not to the level of slavery.

Oh since we were in actual shackles, it doesn’t count? We couldn’t get homes, jobs, eat drink or ■■■■ in the same facilities as white people.

But its just “Oh well, at least you aren’t slaves”

That’s what you are going with?

You can talk about slavery and jim crow but you can’t get paid for it.

Like the way you glossed/ignored over the mistreatment of the Irish for example.

They had a lot of trouble getting jobs but reparations would be just as silly for them as for reparations for blacks.

It’s not happening anyway. The dems bring it up on election years to play some folks.

PurpnGold · 2020-07-02T13:41:06.842Z

gooddad409:

You can’t have it both ways. I see the left trying to argue the war was all about slavery and when it suits them say it wasn’t about slavery.

THE SOUTH was fighting to keep slavery. Nobody on the left is saying that the entire war was about slavery.

gooddad409 · 2020-07-02T13:42:15.709Z

PurpnGold:

gooddad409:

You can’t have it both ways. I see the left trying to argue the war was all about slavery and when it suits them say it wasn’t about slavery.

THE SOUTH was fighting to keep slavery. Nobody on the left is saying that the entire war was about slavery.

Actually at times they do appear to be doing so. Watch how angry they get if anyone brings up something other than slavery for that war.

PurpnGold · 2020-07-02T13:44:17.064Z

anon91495210:

No, they fought to end slavery. We’ve been lectured for decades about how the civil war was all about slavery and anyone that suggested states rights was mocked. You’re still wrong on this, you can’t talk about fighting in “self defense” when the solution was easily allowing secession. Self defense wasn’t the goal and you know it.

No, no, no.

You been taught that the SOUTH fought to keep slavery. That was THEIR entire reason for attacking the North.

The ENTIRE WAR was not about slavery. Just THE SOUTH’S participation was about keep them.

Even if the North fought to end slavery, they don’t get credit for being “liberators”. They allowed it to happen. They did it (who built the White House?)

PurpnGold · 2020-07-02T13:45:10.529Z

gooddad409:

Actually at times they do appear to be doing so. Watch how angry they get if anyone brings up something other than slavery for that war.

Usually that happens when someone says the SOUTH was fighting for JUST states rights.

zantax · 2020-07-02T13:46:36.689Z

Sorry, needle hasn’t moved much on this subject.

U.S. – 25 Jun 20

U.S. public more aware of racial inequality but still rejects reparations:...

Americans are growing increasingly aware of racial inequality in the United States, but a large majority still oppose the use of one-time payments, known as reparations, to tackle the persistent wealth gap between Black and white citizens.

gooddad409 · 2020-07-02T13:47:40.624Z

PurpnGold:

gooddad409:

Actually at times they do appear to be doing so. Watch how angry they get if anyone brings up something other than slavery for that war.

Usually that happens when someone says the SOUTH was fighting for JUST states rights.

Nope. The left tries to have it both ways.

Borgia_dude · 2020-07-02T13:50:30.187Z

anon91495210:

Seriously, reparations have been paid since the 30’s when we started this welfare state crap. Isn’t it odd the people bitching the loudest for reparations are the ones that have been living off of the tax payers for generations now?

If white people have access to the welfare state, how exactly is it reparations for black peoples?

anon91495210 · 2020-07-02T14:03:55.434Z

No one defended themselves but the South. They fought a war to force the South to stay in the union. . . and to end slavery.

anon91495210 · 2020-07-02T14:07:35.407Z

White people don’t have grievances against the state?

My point was this. We’ve been paying welfare, disproportionately to blacks, for decades and the people living off of welfare have made zero progress. It has actually been a bane to poor people. Another payment is not going to help black people, ONLY letting go of the past will help. I owned no slaves and no one alive WAS a slave. The United States fought a bloody war to end slavery. The fact of the matter is that no one alive owes no one alive for slavery. We need to move past it. . . and millions of black people have moved past it and are productive members of society, solidly in the middle class.

PurpnGold · 2020-07-02T14:09:07.037Z

anon91495210:

No one defended themselves but the South. They fought a war to force the South to stay in the union. . . and to end slavery.

You should really pick up a history book.

The south was the aggressor. They wanted to keep slaves. Period.

Even if the North was fighting to end slavery they shouldn’t get “liberator” credit. They allowed it, supported it and codified it in law.

anon91495210 · 2020-07-02T14:10:14.658Z

You can twist and distort history all you want but it doesn’t change the fact that we’ve been taught that the Civil War was about slavery. I think your history needs a bit of work, the south demanded that the North vacate their territory and the north refused. The aggression was from the North that refused to allow the South to leave the Union. The North could have reached a peace agreement and allowed the southern states to secede without a war. That wasn’t the goal.

anon91495210 · 2020-07-02T14:14:36.454Z

Yeah, try again. The south seceded. Who was the aggressor in the Revolutionary war? England or the US declaring their independence? That said, you just said everything in your statement. They fought to keep slaves… so what was the North doing? Fighting to END slavery. This cherry picking by the left is hilarious but incorrect.

As to being the liberator, of COURSE they get liberator status. People learn through history and thousands of years of human history had slavery. 80 years after this nation was founded, we abolished it. I don’t blame people for history and the founders plainly stated that there was no way to pull this country off without including slavery. . . even though they wanted to. That said, the system created allowed for the end of slavery less than a century later.

PurpnGold · 2020-07-02T14:14:55.757Z

anon91495210:

Another payment is not going to help black people, ONLY letting go of the past will help.

Another? There wasn’t a first payment.

Welfare is not reparations for slavery. By raw numbers more white people are on welfare than black people.

By percentage of population more black people are on it… but is it BECAUSE of welfare or in SPITE of welfare? I argue the latter due to Jim Crow and slavery before it.

anon91495210:

The United States fought a bloody war to end slavery. The fact of the matter is that no one alive owes no one alive for slavery.

US fought a war against the confederacy to defend themselves from the south’s aggression. Not to end slavery.

Lincoln DID NOT SUPPORT ending slavery before the war.

anon91495210:

We need to move past it. . . and millions of black people have moved past it and are productive members of society, solidly in the middle class.

You don’t know this to be true.

I am in the top 1% and I still think we should get reparations for slavery and Jim Crow. Money owed is money owed.

PurpnGold · 2020-07-02T14:18:35.252Z

anon91495210:

so what was the North doing? Fighting to END slavery. This cherry picking by the left is hilarious but incorrect.

Defending themselves.

LINCOLN DID NOT WANT TO END SLAVERY BEFORE THE WAR.

anon91495210:

As to being the liberator, of COURSE they get liberator status. People learn through history and thousands of years of human history had slavery. 80 years after this nation was founded, we abolished it. I don’t blame people for history and the founders plainly stated that there was no way to pull this country off without including slavery. . . even though they wanted to. That said, the system created allowed for the end of slavery less than a century later.

Human sex traffickers get a “liberator” status when they free women?

I don’t care how prevalent slavery was elsewhere in the world. My ancestors were slaves in the US. The US did that, not England, nor France.

Wasn’t the US one of the last of western civilization to end slavery? Hmmm

anon91495210 · 2020-07-02T14:18:55.078Z

PurpnGold:

US fought a war against the confederacy to defend themselves from the south’s aggression. Not to end slavery.

You can repeat that until you’re blue in the face, doesn’t make it correct.

I owe you nothing. You owe me nothing. It’s history, get over it already.

PurpnGold · 2020-07-02T14:27:19.836Z

anon91495210:

You can repeat that until you’re blue in the face, doesn’t make it correct.

100% correct.

Was Lincoln for or against ending slavery before and during the war?

anon91495210:

I owe you nothing. You owe me nothing. It’s history, get over it already.

You don’t but the government does. 350 years of specific targeted racial oppression. Let that sink in. Millions of black Americans are alive today who lived through Jim Crow and those government mandated oppressive laws.

anon91495210 · 2020-07-02T14:32:31.939Z

PurpnGold:

Human sex traffickers get a “liberator” status when they free women?

Well now, let’s make a good comparison. Liberals are all for keeping the border open. Are they responsible for sex trafficking?

PurpnGold:

Wasn’t the US one of the last of western civilization to end slavery? Hmmm

I suggest you read up on a bit of history as there’s a LONG history of fighting slavery from the founding of this nation. I think people forget the historical significance and the world wide effort to end slavery that goes back many decades and continues to today. 1865 was the culmination but from the beginning of this country, steps were taken to reduce and eventually abolish slavery.

anon91495210 · 2020-07-02T14:35:46.528Z

PurpnGold:

100% correct.

Was Lincoln for or against ending slavery before and during the war?

Nope, not correct. Have you ever done research on the Lincoln Douglas debates?

Government is the tax payer of today. They owe you nothing.

NJBob · 2020-07-02T15:10:47.092Z

PurpnGold:

The ultimate reparation would be federal tax exemption for all verified descendants of slaves. Former slave states could also offer the exemption to verified descendants of slaves who were slaves in their states and still live there. Let’s keep it for the life of the tax payer.

Would this apply to all verified descendants of slaves alive today, or to all descendants in perpetuity?

Also, would the proportion of one’s ancestors that were slaves impact the amount of reparations you receive? For instance if one could only demonstrate that a single great-great-great-grand parent was a slave would they receive as much as one that could show a much larger proportion of their family were slaves?

Additionally, what if one is wealthy, would there be a cutoff for reparations?

It seems to me that, although your ideas on what reparations would be have merit, fair implementation would be impossible. Why not focus on the legacy of of slavery and Jim Crow, and address poverty, both inner city and rural?