And I will reiterate that what you are advocating is abstinence PLUS, and what the Trump Administration has done is shoved financial benefits towards the teaching of abstinence ONLY.
So you should be upset that the Trump Administration has done so.
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Yep. Not really hard to see.
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why kids should not have sex until they are able to support themselves?
Yes, it was, and I had to keep repeating myself over and over and over and overâŚbecause all people jumped on was the teaching abstinence part.
Actually one daughter did when she was considering it and the other one talks with me about it as well. So, your point?
Iâm honestly not sure why so many have totally focused on pregnant teens as, per at least one source, teen pregnancy rates have declined over the years, and teens arenât the only ones who become unexpectedly or undesirably pregnant.
Are some posters seriously going to argue women who are from the 20s to the 40s cease to have sex?
Or that bc, even sterilization, sometimes fails?
Or that there is information some adult women simply donât have, for instance, that certain medications can weaken hormonal bc, or that getting older, even perimenopausal, doesnât mean there wonât be any baby?
I guess itâs too hard for some to read a box, for instance, on lamb skin rubbers, that they can prevent pregnancy but not STDs. Or to pull that paper insert out of the box and read it for directions on the productsâ usage.
Iâm amazed no one is focusing at all on HIV/AIDS among young bi and homosexual men as new HIV+ cases have, if anything, risen within these groups while teen pregnancy, for the most part, is down.
Your comment has been overlooked but is extremely important. Millennials and the generation after us are in some ways rightfully criticized for our âdelayed onset adulthood.â
Quick side note: When you think about it historically, teen pregnancies were common and expected at some point in our evolution. That age has begun to move later and later. In my motherâs generation, average age of first child was around 22, and now itâs around 27.
Now, because the economy is NOT how it was for the Boomers at our age, Millennials are taking longer to get their careers to the point where they can afford a home and âsupport oneself.â Another part of this demographic shift comes with the age at first marriage. In the 60s, average age at first marriage was early 20s. Now it is pushing 30, depending on your sex. Marriage Rate Declines and Marriage Age Rises | Pew Research Center
So this tangent is to point to a few things. One, it is completely unreasonable to expect people to wait until marriage for sex. (And I say this as a religious person whose faith teaches to abstain until marriageâI have my own thoughts on that, though.) Two, in todayâs economy it is completely unreasonable to expect people to wait until they can âsupport oneselfâ before engaging in sex.
Solutions: Birth control, education, and access to healthcare.
Non-solutions: Telling adults in their 20s to âwait to have sex.â
Well, for one how about answering my question about ââGiving HS students access and info on condoms and BCââ as well as abstinence.
And my point is when they talked w/ you, did you discuss getting birth controlâthe pill or other similar method. Or is your only go-to the hammering of abstinence.
When you have teen daughters talking about being sexually active, having them on BC is only responsible.
So no comment. A little too much
Yeah, I have this little thing called a day job, plus I volunteer out in the community every so often. Oh! And I had to wait for my eyes to stop rolling. Who waits until high school or college to tell their daughters about their reproduction system, birth control, and that they are to abstain until they can support themselves? In our house, there was never any need to hide birth control from our daughters or lock up the liquor. They could have easily helped themselves to eitherâŚbut they never did. They had good reason to trust abstinence, and so they did.
Teenagers are, in fact, very good at listening to common sense when adults take the time and make the effort to have a good relationship with them. Did I luck out with our daughters? Maybe. They were always very upfront with their dates, and one daughterâs steady in particular liked that about her.
So the âeducationâ program is actually a distribution program?
NO WONDER I felt the âcomprehensive educationâ people were not forthcoming.
That explains the song and dance and smoke and mirrors.
Finally!
Mole, thank you for your honesty.
Is that supposed to be a big gotcha moment?
No.
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And that is exactly what women and girls need to understand at a very early age. It is their pregnancy and they are on their own. Reality is often harsh. For the guys: Get a girl pregnant, and whatever she decides, you are on the hook financially. So set up a savings account for unwanted kids early.
HuhâŚwaitâŚwhatâŚI thought you were about women about responsible? They should take responsibility for their own preg., not blame someone else, unless the 2 have agreed.
Exactly. All these things are designed to hurt only those in the lower SES. Same with the closing of Planned Parenthood clinics. Those who can afford it (including the very conservative/Republicans) can bring their daughters to doctors in their state, other states or countries to get abortions. And believe me - when it comes to their daughterâs futures - they donât want any kid of theirs saddled with a baby in their teens or early 20âs.
Then the same people who rail against abortion, put dumb policies in place which lead to more teen pregnancies - ruining the teens chances of a good future, which cause more people to need social welfare programs - which they then rail against too.
Agreed 100%. Personally, I think it is unwise to wait til marriage and will be telling my daughters that. I think it is totally natural to have sex in college. They are the right age to be exploring their sexuality, which is good.
What a Marxist.
It was a warning that no matter how âcleanâ a grant is today, rotten nefarioys govât bloat will add to it tomorrow.
Look at all the stuff, just on this thread that people are trying to get under the wire as âcomprehensive education.â
Give away this, screening for that.
What about learning stuff?
