All one needs to do is read when folks say when they don’t care if you’d like to know who doesn’t care.

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Aren’t the mobs planning on toppling the Abe Lincoln statue this evening?

Apparently the left believes Independent voters will run to the polls in November for more of this kind of fun/endless block party & summer of love.

The protesters did their thing already, and are home scared to come out again afeared of the virus.
These clowns ripping down statues are the same morons who would be vandalizing a car, or something else if this wasn’t going on.
These fools are not really protesting, and they are not in massive groups.
And that genius politician who stood there arrogantly filming them the other night was not acting wisely.
He’s lucky that large lassy didn’t squish the jelly out of him.
What did he expect?
He is no martyr.

I heard that chess is now racist because whitey gets to move first.

(And it’s not even a joke)

The statues on public property that glamorize the Confederacy should be removed and moved to museums. Not destroyed by radical thugs.

There is a right way to do things and wrong way to do things. This is the wrong way to do it.

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I suspect most rational people feel the same way. All along I have said take them down and place them in museums.

Yes, and now they are coming for the statue of William H. Seward in front of the Capitol building in Juneau, not because he was a racists but because he was (in the minds of the petitioners) "a colonizer who contributed to the disenfranchisement of Alaska Native peoples.” In truth, Seward was an abolitionist who was Lincoln’s (and Johnson’s) Secretary of State was an ardent anti slavery activist when earlier, he served as Governor of New York and a US Senator from NY.

These people have gone stark raving mad.

Apparently Museum grounds are not good enough … they must be hidden from view.

Where do you think the statue of Teddy is?

I almost hope they try.

A thousand cops and 400 NG’s are standing by to deal with them in they do. :smiley:

In the case of the Confederate statues, I’d prefer to see them indoors. With plaques explaining who the men were, what they did during the war, and how we can learn from their mistakes. It would also serve to protect the statues from being vandalized.

They were erected to intimidate black southerners. But I think being placed in a museum context would give them a new life and meaning. They could be proper tools of education.

It’s on the outside of the museum grounds.

I disagree with removing it. Teddy Roosevelt was not a Confederate.

The only statues that this movement should focus on is the Confederate statues that are maintained with taxpayer money. And I vehemently disagree with them being destroyed and vandalized.

That’s a myth created by political correct liberals. Nobody is intimidated by a statue. NOBODY!

No its not. It’s outside at the top of the steps leading to the front door.

This is not about the confederacy, it’s about the fact that the statue depicts Teddy riding a horse while being flanked by an Indian and an black man. The PC police don’t like it because they interpret it as representing white supremacy and the subjugation of people of color.

In 1890?

Today, no they don’t really intimidate anyone. Or they shouldn’t at least.

Back then, whole other story. The civil war was fresh. They were mostly erected as a giant “screw you” to the black community by the neo-Confederates who took power after the US Army ended the occupation in 1877. After all, who got blamed for the catastrophe of 1865? The freedmen and their carpet bagger allies.

Reconstruction was a dismal failure because they didn’t eradicate Confederate nationalism. It should have ended. Right then and there. But they took the easy way out because they wanted to reintegrate the south as soon as physically possible. Understandable considering the chaos that was the South from 1865-1877. But nonetheless the black community paid dearly for it.

What do you think a black man in 1890 thought when he walked by a statue of Jefferson Davis? Or Robert E. Lee? After they’ve already lost most of the rights they got to have a for a few years during reconstruction.

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Well that’s just the PC police being ridiculous.

The Teddy Roosevelt statue shouldn’t be controversial.

This is all presumption rather than fact, there’s very little contemporaneous writing on the subject confirming that.

Even if we assume that was true in that era that was 130 years ago.

It’s part of our history and we can leave them in place and teach the history appropriately.

Reconstruction was a dismal failure because it broke the south for most of a hundred years seeking to punish all southerners rather than heal the wounds of the war.

"Scholarly studies of the monuments began in the 1980s. In 1983 John J. Winberry published a study which was based on data from the work of R.W. Widener. He estimated that the main building period for monuments was from 1889 to 1929 and that of the monuments erected in courthouse squares over half were built between 1902 and 1912."

We live in ridiculous times …

In all honesty, the Confederates got off pretty easy considering what had been done. Officers lost their right to vote and the South was occupied for a decade to ensure that the freedmen’s rights were protected. Other than, they issued a general amnesty and that was the end of it.

Understandable actions at the time. Heal the country, get it back together. Basically the 1840s minus slavery. The status quo antebellum.

The black southerners got shafted as a result as it allowed unrepentant Confederates to return to power. Someone had to lose. The options they had demanded it.