Rand Paul Trump NATO Montenegro

Jezcoe · 2018-07-24T16:05:24.349Z

zantax:

Oryx:

zantax:

So I should be willing to send others off to die for something I wouldn’t be willing to die for

When I said this same thing in 2003 I was told by some people that I was being unpatriotic. That the US had international responsibilities, and freedom!, etc.

Well there are strategic and economic interests of the US that are worth fighting for, I just don’t see what they are in regard to Montenegro.

Geography.

Oryx · 2018-07-24T16:06:40.622Z

zantax:

Well there are strategic and economic interests of the US that are worth fighting for, I just don’t see what they are in regard to Montenegro.

“Well there are strategic and economic interests of the US that are worth fighting for, I just don’t see what they are in regard to Iraq,” is pretty much what I said in 2003.

TheRedComet · 2018-07-24T16:09:52.654Z

We would lose a crap ton if NATO disbanded. As an american I like the idea of having British Royal Marines, French Infantry, and German Special Forces integrated under our command of ■■■■ ever hits the fan.

Not including the Royal Navy which integrates nicely with our carrier battle groups.

Jezcoe · 2018-07-24T16:10:01.155Z

And remember… we aren’t going to war because of Montenegro.

That possibility isn’t really even on the table.

The point is that the country is in our sphere of influence.

tnt · 2018-07-24T16:10:35.080Z

it’s pretty funny how your foreign policy lines up perfectly with the President you often pretend not to like.

Jezcoe · 2018-07-24T16:10:47.687Z

TheRedComet:

We would lose a crap ton if NATO disbanded. As an american I like the idea of having British Royal Marines, French Infantry, and German Special Forces integrated under our command of ■■■■ ever hits the fan.

Not including the Royal Navy which integrates nicely with our carrier battle groups.

Yeah… it’s like some want to have a global hegemony but not have to actually pay for it or something.

MoleUK · 2018-07-24T16:12:24.159Z

TheRedComet:

We would lose a crap ton if NATO disbanded. As an american I like the idea of having British Royal Marines, French Infantry, and German Special Forces integrated under our command of ■■■■ ever hits the fan.

Not including the Royal Navy which integrates nicely with our carrier battle groups.

It wouldn’t disband, it would essentially reform without the US.

You’d be iced out, and it would cost both sides.

Drs · 2018-07-24T16:13:50.774Z

Seems like Republicans want to take America back to a pre WWII standing in the world.

zantax · 2018-07-24T16:14:05.032Z

Oryx:

zantax:

Well there are strategic and economic interests of the US that are worth fighting for, I just don’t see what they are in regard to Montenegro.

“Well there are strategic and economic interests of the US that are worth fighting for, I just don’t see what they are in regard to Iraq,” is pretty much what I said in 2003.

Well we disagree on that. And I am pretty sure I can make a better case they existed for Iraq than you can that they do for Montenegro.

MoleUK · 2018-07-24T16:16:21.031Z

Drs:

Seems like Republicans want to take America back to a pre WWII standing in the world.

Rand Paul has been leading the “non-interventionist” charge for a while, but it’s looking an awful lot more like isolationism these days.

And yeah it seems to have taken a hold of the Republican electorate, in one form or another.

Drs · 2018-07-24T16:21:27.303Z

Yep as Russia and China extend influence America will basically be told to shut up and sit down.

They are already doing with Iran.

Candyman · 2018-07-24T16:25:35.041Z

I figured Rand Paul for the last person to become a Trumpist but it sounds like he’s slowly being assimilated. Oh well. Guess he liked the talk but had no walk.

Oryx · 2018-07-24T16:26:11.658Z

zantax:

Well we disagree on that. And I am pretty sure I can make a better case they existed for Iraq than you can that they do for Montenegro.

Iraq turned into a huge money-sucking pit, as I’m sure any conflict in Montenegro would. Strategically I’m not sure what we gained from Iraq, or what we gain from Montenegro in the EU.

zantax · 2018-07-24T16:38:10.727Z

tnt:

it’s pretty funny how your foreign policy lines up perfectly with the President you often pretend not to like.

My dislike of Trump, is not, for the most part, policy based, it is character based, what he says and how he says it.

TommyLucchese · 2018-07-24T19:23:18.450Z

MoleUK:

It wouldn’t disband, it would essentially reform without the US.

You’d be iced out, and it would cost both sides.

Problem is-for us anyhow-a federated EU without the power we have basically running NATO could displace us as the world’s hyperpower.

Jezcoe · 2018-07-24T19:26:40.507Z

TommyLucchese:

MoleUK:

It wouldn’t disband, it would essentially reform without the US.

You’d be iced out, and it would cost both sides.

Problem is-for us anyhow-a federated EU without the power we have basically running NATO could displace us as the world’s hyperpower.

Yep… the US can say bye bye to projecting world wide power

TommyLucchese · 2018-07-24T19:28:07.971Z

Jezcoe:

Yep… the US can say bye bye to projecting world wide power

Ah, for the days of leafing through a Cyberpunk 2020 book in the mid 90s and laughing at the idea of a European superpower. Not so funny in 2018, ironically.

hindsight · 2018-07-24T19:29:22.533Z

Amazing how quickly Trump upended DECADES of Republican ideology in a few short months.

Oryx · 2018-07-24T19:29:57.079Z

TommyLucchese:

Ah, for the days of leafing through a Cyberpunk 2020 book in the mid 90s and laughing at the idea of a European superpower. Not so funny in 2018, ironically.

Better Europe than Russia or China.

Drs · 2018-07-24T20:22:36.419Z

Russia and China are already emerging more than the EU.

The EU asked the US if they could do business with Iran and were told no so they didn’t. Russia and China said we will do business with you. We will invest in you and buy oil from you.