Racist xenophobia is sweeping the country

JayJay · 2020-04-19T14:27:29.655Z

altair1013:

Smyrna:

altair1013:

Yet we get the blame.

The flip side is…if you consider consumption, “we” consume a lot. It’s produced elsewhere to avoid the pollution standards but…we consume it so, in that respect…we must look in the mirror. In my opinion though, it’s the US government who I hold responsible. If a good is produced in an unacceptable manner, according to our laws, why is it allowed to be sold here?

There is no flip side. We’ve already looked in the mirror. We’re experts at that. We already get nearly all the blame for this. What needs to be said about us that has not already been said 1000 times? So why should we get nearly all the blame and China get virtually none of it? We are not forcing them to live like pigs. It’s not up to us to make China respect the planet. They own that 100 percent.

We both want them and don’t want them to live like pigs.

It’s a quandary.

For example, China produces the bulk of the rare earths that go into our electronics. We could do that here…rare earths actually aren’t that rare…but the process to mine and refine rare earths creates hugely toxic side products and waste that if we were to do it here would add a ton to the cost base for electronic devices.

There’s no easy solution to handling the toxic side products.

So we let China do it and let them deal with the pollution problem that entails.

Do you want to bring that production back here?

Then you had better be willing to accept certain increased costs…and better have a solution in place to the fact that wages will have to go up to make it work because it does no good to bring production back here at higher cost when wages will lag those increased costs…and thus no one can afford to buy the products we are now making here.

And none of this is going to happen via the “invisible hand of the market”, something in the purist conservative/libertarian philosophy is going to have to become a little “less pure”. Labeling any departure from purity as “socialism” btw…doesn’t help the things you want to happen…happen.

altair1013 · 2020-04-19T14:29:26.662Z

Oryx:

altair1013:

So why should we get nearly all the blame and China get virtually none of it?

We don’t get all the blame, that’s ridiculous.

You should pay more attention.

Bill.in.PA · 2020-04-19T14:46:51.621Z

Yes. From what I have read Africans often experience blatant prejudice in China. The reports for the coronavirus are just another example.

For background, here is one story from several years ago:

As a former African-American expat living in China over a period of three years, I can remember horrible stories of racism experienced by other expats of African descent. One of the worst involved a brilliant young medical student from Guinea Bissau who studied Mandarin and medicine in the coastal city of Nanjing. This young medical student was fluent in Chinese and when she reported to a local Chinese hospital to do her residency and training, many of the Chinese patients would not allow her to touch them or treat them because she was African.

thediplomat.com

China: Embracing Africa, But Not Africans

The next step for Beijing in its Africa relations is better people-to-people relations.

Axxowiz · 2020-04-19T18:25:40.036Z

As someone who worked and lived six months in Tokyo I can say without pause say racism is much more prevalent than any western nation I visited or worked in. One can argue it’s not violent racism as in other countries. But even being white I was turned away from quiet a few nightclubs because I wasn’t Japanese. All that aside they are some of the nicest people you will ever meet but they want some things Japanese only.

I remember in quiet a few of the business meetings jokes or discussions being told that would make David Duke blush. I am sure from what I have seen and read about it’s much worse in China, looking at their TV ads, they are quiet open about it which I find hilarious while they are calling America racist about the term Chinese virus.

altair1013 · 2020-04-19T18:50:54.448Z

Axxowiz:

I remember in quiet a few of the business meetings jokes or discussions being told that would make David Duke blush.

Thank God those days are long over. Anyone who makes a racial joke these days is risking his career.

Oryx · 2020-04-19T20:35:56.468Z

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Oryx:

altair1013:

So why should we get nearly all the blame and China get virtually none of it?
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We don’t get all the blame, that’s ridiculous.

You should pay more attention.

All I hear from the right is blame directed at China. So to say that we get “all the blame” is ridiculous and false.

altair1013 · 2020-04-20T01:09:41.677Z

Oryx:

All I hear from the right is blame directed at China. So to say that we get “all the blame” is ridiculous and false.

All I hear from the left is blame directed at Trump. So to say this is ridiculous and false.

Oryx · 2020-04-20T13:26:49.616Z

altair1013:

Oryx:

All I hear from the right is blame directed at China. So to say that we get “all the blame” is ridiculous and false.

All I hear from the left is blame directed at Trump.

Then you’re not paying attention. Trump voters love to play the victim but this is getting ridiculous.

Bill.in.PA · 2020-04-20T13:41:42.167Z

Yes, racism and xenophobia certainly exist in Asia. My experience is that reporters from the US seem to be very reluctant to discuss these kinds of issues. Any cases of apparent racism or xenophobia in the US or Europe are immediately reported, but issues in Asia tend to be ignored.

My opinion is ignoring racism in Asia while highlighting cases in western countries is actually a subtle form of racism. Reporting about racism in Asia can be “culturally insensitive”.

On the other hand, people of European origin are implicitly assumed to haver the same culture so any alleged racism can be freely criticized.

If you doubt that the difference, compare the titles of these two Wikipedia articles:
Racism in Russia
Ethnic issues in China

Hexenbiest · 2020-04-20T15:55:58.823Z

China has about a 1950’s American attitude towards blacks, doing a little research on the subject one will find out two of the most racist places on earth is China and India, which also hosts a lot of the worlds population . They take black actors off the movie posters in China or minimize them so people will go into the theater and a lot of people will still walk out or write horrible reviews if a black actor has considerable screen time.

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There is a reason the new Star Wars movies bomb in China there is a reason movies like Black Panther gets slammed online in Weibo chat in China, there is a reason they make fun of western liberals labeling them “Baizuo” all over social media. They think (liberals) want to destroy the west and what most of the Asian Worlds view of what America supposed to look like. The problem in America is most people haven’t traveled or read up on China and other Asian countries to understand the extent of racism, bleaching of skin which takes place all through Asia and even in South America basically a lot of people in the west live in a bubble they have created for themselves the way the world works outside of the western nations.

But that’s not how the Chinese view liberals in the west - Baizuo

Seem like one of the few things the Chinese did get right about America

Baizuo is used generally to describe those who “only care about topics such as immigration, minorities, LGBT and the environment” and “have no sense of real problems in the real world”; they are hypocritical humanitarians who advocate for peace and equality only to “satisfy their own feeling of moral superiority”; they are “obsessed with political correctness” to the extent that they “tolerate backwards Islamic values for the sake of multiculturalism”; they believe in the welfare state that “benefits only the idle and the free riders”; they are the “ignorant and arrogant westerners” who “pity the rest of the world and think they are saviors”. - What China thinks of the left in the west.

altair1013 · 2020-04-20T16:15:48.745Z

Oryx:

Then you’re not paying attention. Trump voters love to play the victim but this is getting ridiculous.

Victim of what? Too much winning?

Oryx · 2020-04-20T16:17:01.149Z

altair1013:

Victim of what? Too much winning?

Really?

altair1013 · 2020-04-20T16:19:27.414Z

Oryx:

altair1013:

Victim of what? Too much winning?

Really?

Yep. On about every issue. Trump has kept about 80 percent of his campaign promises. That is unheard of in this day and age. So yes. Really.

Oryx · 2020-04-20T16:22:47.611Z

altair1013:

Yep. On about every issue. Trump has kept about 80 percent of his campaign promises. That is unheard of in this day and age. So yes. Really.

No, I meant was your post really that silly. Trump is the victim of the media, the deep state, China, etc., etc., etc.

Toll_Collector · 2020-04-20T16:57:24.979Z

JayJay:

Do you want to bring that production back here?

Then you had better be willing to accept certain increased costs…and better have a solution in place to the fact that wages will have to go up to make it work because it does no good to bring production back here at higher cost when wages will lag those increased costs…and this no one can afford to buy the products we are now making here.

Yeah I would if you’re bringing the jobs back here. Didn’t we go through this in the late 70s and 80s? Prices were through the roof. Remember “The Wiz”? Nobody beats the Wiz. I used to walk through that store and ask myself, beats them at what, highest prices? But people managed and bought things when they could. At least half the country didn’t have to work serving tables just to get a stereo or TV cheaper.

altair1013 · 2020-04-20T17:13:34.505Z

JayJay:

We both want them and don’t want them to live like pigs.

It’s a quandary.

For example, China produces the bulk of the rare earths that go into our electronics. We could do that here…rare earths actually aren’t that rare…but the process to mine and refine rare earths creates hugely toxic side products and waste that if we were to do it here would add a ton to the cost base for electronic devices.

There’s no easy solution to handling the toxic side products.

So we let China do it and let them deal with the pollution problem that entails.

Do you want to bring that production back here?

Then you had better be willing to accept certain increased costs…and better have a solution in place to the fact that wages will have to go up to make it work because it does no good to bring production back here at higher cost when wages will lag those increased costs…and thus no one can afford to buy the products we are now making here.

And none of this is going to happen via the “invisible hand of the market”, something in the purist conservative/libertarian philosophy is going to have to become a little “less pure”. Labeling any departure from purity as “socialism” btw…doesn’t help the things you want to happen…happen.

So in your mind China is doing the best they can? And the world should continue not holding them accountable?

JayJay · 2020-04-20T17:21:28.759Z

altair1013:

JayJay:

We both want them and don’t want them to live like pigs.

It’s a quandary.

For example, China produces the bulk of the rare earths that go into our electronics. We could do that here…rare earths actually aren’t that rare…but the process to mine and refine rare earths creates hugely toxic side products and waste that if we were to do it here would add a ton to the cost base for electronic devices.

There’s no easy solution to handling the toxic side products.

So we let China do it and let them deal with the pollution problem that entails.

Do you want to bring that production back here?

Then you had better be willing to accept certain increased costs…and better have a solution in place to the fact that wages will have to go up to make it work because it does no good to bring production back here at higher cost when wages will lag those increased costs…and thus no one can afford to buy the products we are now making here.

And none of this is going to happen via the “invisible hand of the market”, something in the purist conservative/libertarian philosophy is going to have to become a little “less pure”. Labeling any departure from purity as “socialism” btw…doesn’t help the things you want to happen…happen.

So in your mind China is doing the best they can? And the world should continue not holding them accountable?

Sure we should hold them accountable.

In what ways do you propose we do that?

Remembering it’s a dirty little secret that we (meaning the west) don’t necessarily mind that they are turning their country into a toxic waste dump (although now that the entropy involved in that is biting back at us, we probably will care).

altair1013 · 2020-04-20T17:34:08.639Z

JayJay:

Sure we should hold them accountable.

In what ways do you propose we do that?

I don’t make proposals. I’m not in government. But it appears that the U.S, is subject to a lot of undeserved shaming, while China is sucked up to. Name em and shame em might be a good start.

What would your proposal be?

Bill.in.PA · 2021-03-21T19:42:18.887Z

UPDATE: An interesting history of African slaves and anti-African attitudes in China:

The first Africans arrived in China as gifts from the King of Kalinga in Java to the Tang emperor in 813 A.D. . . African slaves turn up as the personal property of Arab merchants residing in Chinese port cities such as Guangzhou, which housed a significant Arab community. The average Guangzhou resident is likely to have encountered Africans as she went about her daily tasks. Eventually, wealthy Chinese also started demanding such slaves in large numbers. . . names were also applied to them by their owners, such as devil slaves (guinu ) and wild men (yeren ). . . In the Confucian worldview, with its stress on hierarchy and the natural order, African slaves were always outside the realm of civilization and so could never attain fully human status.

https://areomagazine.com/2021/03/19/the-forgotten-history-of-african-slavery-in-china/

It looks like China beat out America by almost 800 years in its importation of African slaves. Will BLM start protest at Confucius Institutes about the history of slavery and racism?

Axxowiz · 2021-03-21T19:52:27.136Z

You don’t have to go back in history to see how blacks were treated in China. They are heavily discriminated against today in China.