Racist Reparations Bill Passes Calif House

[AngraMainyu]

@TheRedComet

Slave owners were not punished in any appreciable way after the war.

During the war union officers parked theirselves inside and used their homes as field offices.

After the war, most of the planter elite got their land returned to them. That was the gravest injustice of that entire damn war.

Every acre of land that was owned by slave owners should have been confiscated and given to their newly freed slaves.

That was the opportunity to fix the race issue that has plagued us since 1865. And the federal government dropped the ball.

White Southerners would have burned out the former slaves from those lands if they were allowed to keep them. Hell, they burned out the few that were granted land or opened up businesses following the war.

[AngraMainyu]

You’re probably correct. I don’t expect to see any reparations in the future.

[TheRedComet]

Accessories. Not perpetrators.

The ones who owned the slaves had by far the most guilt. They were the ones who could have and should have been punished for what they did.

Instead they got off scot free. And they even got their power back after the US Army left in 1877.

[AngraMainyu]

@zantax

@TheRedComet

I never said it was constitutional.

It would have been proper justice.

They got away with horrendous crimes.

Crimes the us government which included northerners, were complicit in.

Absolutely. Let’s not forget the crimes committed by states, following the war, who used the Black codes to round up young black men and women for forced labor, either.

[hwyflier]

@zantax

Crimes the us government which included northerners, were complicit in.

Ayup.

That’s why I don’t think anyone is saying the bill is to be paid by the south.

California, the topic of this thread, fought for the Union.

[PurpnGold]

@zantax

Yes slaves were, harmed by the government at that time, neither now exist. People who were harmed by Jim Crow, some are still alive, however it’s not the same government after all this time. The court generally considers it too late to recover damages after twenty years, because it’s a essentially no longer the same government that harmed them.

But white farmers… instant reparations. I find that to be a ■■■■■■■■ excuse.

[zantax]

@PurpnGold

@zantax

Yes slaves were, harmed by the government at that time, neither now exist. People who were harmed by Jim Crow, some are still alive, however it’s not the same government after all this time. The court generally considers it too late to recover damages after twenty years, because it’s a essentially no longer the same government that harmed them.

But white farmers… instant reparations. I find that to be a ■■■■■■■■ excuse.

Less about compensating them than it is, ensuring we still have farms, which are kind of important to national defense. But if it was limited to only white farmers, that’s outrageous.

[thinkingman]

@PurpnGold

@thinkingman

farmers weren’t wronged

thanks

Oh really? They weren’t hurt by tariffs?

If they weren’t wronged then why did they get reparations in the first place? You are telling me they got free money when they didn’t need it?

thats impact from economic policy. many besides farmers get affected

horrible extrapolation.

and it cheapens what was done to blacks over the ages by making such a comparison

geeze

[Axxowiz]

It is handing money to a group of people who were never slaves by taking the money away from people who were never slave owners. It is essentially doing the thing everyone was against until a few weeks ago sentencing someone for the crime of their fathers or in this case great great great great great great grandfather…

The vast majority of people are against it but hey I don’t live in California do it, I would imagine the exodus from the state will continue.

[PurpnGold]

@thinkingman

thats impact from economic policy. many besides farmers get affected

But they were harmed by the government… so much so that the government immediately gave them reparations.

@thinkingman

and it cheapens what was done to blacks over the ages by making such a comparison

geeze

No it doesn’t. You disputed the definition of reparations as it applies to Farmers. If anything reparations to farmers bolsters my argument. They weren’t systematically oppressed or enslaved. Yet they still received reparations for harm done by the government.

[PurpnGold]

@Axxowiz

It is handing money to a group of people who were never slaves by taking the money away from people who were never slave owners.

Not just slaves… Jim Crow survivors as well. Some of which are in their 60s today

[zantax]

@PurpnGold

@thinkingman

thats impact from economic policy. many besides farmers get affected

But they were harmed by the government… so much so that the government immediately gave them reparations.

@thinkingman

and it cheapens what was done to blacks over the ages by making such a comparison

geeze

No it doesn’t. You disputed the definition of reparations as it applies to Farmers. If anything reparations to farmers bolsters my argument. They weren’t systematically oppressed or enslaved. Yet they still received reparations for harm done by the government.

For harm done by the current government, not the government of two hundred or even fifty years ago. I know you don’t think that matters but according long-standing multiple court precedent, it does. At best you have three sc justices that might swing your way on it.

[Smyrna]

I wonder if this means Nancy will have to share her ice cream?

[thinkingman]

@PurpnGold

@thinkingman

thats impact from economic policy. many besides farmers get affected

But they were harmed by the government… so much so that the government immediately gave them reparations.

@thinkingman

and it cheapens what was done to blacks over the ages by making such a comparison

geeze

No it doesn’t. You disputed the definition of reparations as it applies to Farmers. If anything reparations to farmers bolsters my argument. They weren’t systematically oppressed or enslaved. Yet they still received reparations for harm done by the government.

now you’re pulling back the comparison

too much a stretch to keep your dead “farmer” narrative on life support here

I think we’re done

[PurpnGold]

@zantax

For harm done by the current government, not the government of two hundred or even fifty years ago. I know you don’t think that matters but according long-standing multiple court precedent, it does. At best you have three sc justices that might swing your way on it.

It shouldn’t matter and if the government wanted it done, it would be so. We don’t have to sue to get it. If we sue, I agree with you… it would be thrown out.

But the government just doing on their own? Don’t think that is an issue, is it?

[PurpnGold]

@thinkingman

now you’re pulling back the comparison

How? You disputed my application of reparations to farmers… based on the definition… did they get them or not?

@thinkingman

too much a stretch to keep your dead “farmer” narrative on life support here

Dead farmer? What are you talking about?

[zantax]

@PurpnGold

@zantax

For harm done by the current government, not the government of two hundred or even fifty years ago. I know you don’t think that matters but according long-standing multiple court precedent, it does. At best you have three sc justices that might swing your way on it.

It shouldn’t matter and if the government wanted it done, it would be so. We don’t have to sue to get it. If we sue, I agree with you… it would be thrown out.

But the government just doing on their own? Don’t think that is an issue, is it?

Of course it is, government racial preference is unconstitutional, which if you remember I pointed out you would easily understand if for some reason white people came up with a reason they should receive them. An example below

https://openjurist.org/169/f3d/973/walker-v-city-of-mesquite-tx

[zantax]

Also see

City of Richmond v. J. A. Croson Co., 488 U.S. 469 (1989)

Racially based preferences are presumptively unconstitutional.

[Hexenbiest]

What percentage black do you have to be to get the reparations check?

[Hexenbiest]

We already have racial and gender based preferences its called affirmative action, only minorities get this though I highly doubt whites will when they enter the minority and they’re more women in the workforce than men, good stuff.