Pure Evil - How Far Are they Willing To Go?

[WuWei]

@Guilds

You have more that implied that on more than one occasion, to anyone and everyone who disagrees with you.

Seems a bit hypocritical for one who rails against elitists.

You misunderstand. It’s just you.

[Guilds]

@WuWei

You misunderstand. It’s just you.

Thank you.

[Liberty323]

@fallenturtle

@Liberty323

They never anointed themselves anything. I’d probably call them democratic socialists, but they’ve commented how they’d like to round up conservatives and exile them so maybe commies. They certainly wouldn’t mind subjecting me and other like-minded individuals to a Cuban or North Korean hell. They just wouldn’t want to live in it themselves.

Sound like tankies (Marxist-Leninist). These types make of a tiny minority of the left. Democratic socialists don’t want a totalitarian or authoritarian state like found in the USSR, Cuba, or North Korea.

That’s not what they want but in countries with much larger populations it can’t help but turn into something like the USSR or North Korea because after the money runs out, and nobody wants to work they have to be forced to work to feed the machine.
The labor market problems happening right now offer a hint of how bad things would be under “democratic socialism” in this country. Freebies for hundreds of millions is much different than freebies for 5-10 million. Somebody has to work, to produce things to buy. We can be given all the money in the world but what will we buy with it if nobody works in places that produce?
With what has happened to the labor market I’m afraid we are going to be seeing even more shortages of skilled workers, food, etc. unless the freebies stop now AND the companies start paying their workers more rather than CEO’s. I blame both the corporations and governments for this problem.

[Jezcoe]

@Liberty323

That’s not what they want but in countries with much larger populations it can’t help but turn into something like the USSR or North Korea because after the money runs out, and nobody wants to work they have to be forced to work to feed the machine.
The labor market problems happening right now offer a hint of how bad things would be under “democratic socialism” in this country. Freebies for hundreds of millions is much different than freebies for 5-10 million. Somebody has to work, to produce things to buy. We can be given all the money in the world but what will we buy with it if nobody works in places that produce?
With what has happened to the labor market I’m afraid we are going to be seeing even more shortages of skilled workers, food, etc. unless the freebies stop now AND the companies start paying their workers more rather than CEO’s. I blame both the corporations and governments for this problem.

Do we see this type of widespread behavior in our Western Allies with more robust social safety nets than us?

[fallenturtle]

Marcuse.

Am I correct in recalling that you don’t consider yourself a libertarian or conservative?

[fallenturtle]

@WuWei

@fallenturtle

@WuWei

@fallenturtle

Democratic socialists don’t want a totalitarian or authoritarian state like found in the USSR, Cuba, or North Korea.

They do, they just don’t feel it will be like those. The truth is they have no idea what it will be.

Nonsense.

Norway or Venezuela?

And there is an answer to the question which troubles the minds of so many men of good will: what are the people in a free society going to do? The answer which, I believe, strikes at the heart of the matter was given by a young black girl. She said: for the first time in our life, we shall be free to think about what we are going to do.

That “young black girl” was highly likely Angela Davis.

@WuWei

A new sensibility.

Democratic Socialists do not want to create an authoritarian state.

[fallenturtle]

@gooddad409

@fallenturtle

@WuWei

@fallenturtle

Democratic socialists don’t want a totalitarian or authoritarian state like found in the USSR, Cuba, or North Korea.

They do, they just don’t feel it will be like those. The truth is they have no idea what it will be.

Nonsense.

Not at all.

Democratic Socialists do not want to create an authoritarian state.

[Liberty323]

@Jezcoe

@Liberty323

That’s not what they want but in countries with much larger populations it can’t help but turn into something like the USSR or North Korea because after the money runs out, and nobody wants to work they have to be forced to work to feed the machine.
The labor market problems happening right now offer a hint of how bad things would be under “democratic socialism” in this country. Freebies for hundreds of millions is much different than freebies for 5-10 million. Somebody has to work, to produce things to buy. We can be given all the money in the world but what will we buy with it if nobody works in places that produce?
With what has happened to the labor market I’m afraid we are going to be seeing even more shortages of skilled workers, food, etc. unless the freebies stop now AND the companies start paying their workers more rather than CEO’s. I blame both the corporations and governments for this problem.

Do we see this type of widespread behavior in our Western Allies with more robust social safety nets than us?

I’m seeing the lack of workers right here, right now. Ford announced they are opening a battery factory 10 miles down the road from me but I have no idea where they will get the workers. Maybe it will be staffed with Mexicans and Haitians who are tickled with minimum wage? With the stimmies and “robust” unemployment millions of workers tapped out to stay home and binge on Netflix or play video games. With the advanced child tax credit gimmies a lot of baby mamas left the work force.
I qualified my statement by saying countries with much larger populations. I think Germany is the closest Western ally and they only have about 1/4 the population; the UK has about 1/5 the population. Where do very large countries like China and India rate on the freedom index?

[Liberty323]

That may not be their intention in the beginning but what about when they receive a notification that the free money is running out? Do you not think the Bernie bros would love to subjugate “non-vaxxers” or “Trumpers” to work more hours to supply them with more freebies so they can focus on Call of Duty?

[Jezcoe]

@Liberty323

With the stimmies and “robust” unemployment millions of workers tapped out to stay home and binge on Netflix or play video games.

Unemployment ran out on Labor Day. No longer can be used for an excuse to explain away the labor shortage.

@Liberty323

With the advanced child tax credit gimmies a lot of baby mamas left the work force.

Is this a condemnation of having a child tax credit or having the tax credit paid out monthly instead of in the tax return?

@Liberty323

I think Germany is the closest Western ally and they only have about 1/4 the population;

Germany has a more robust social safety net than us and has 3.6% unemployment. If the idea that a more robust social safety net leads to people staying at home you should see it there.

@Liberty323

the UK has about 1/5 the population.

The UK has a labor shortage of their own making right now.

@Liberty323

Where do very large countries like China and India rate on the freedom index?

No one is advocating that we emulate those countries.

[Liberty323]

The unemployment ran out but the workers haven’t returned. It will probably take months for us to return to decent levels of production. I guess we’ll just have to wait and see what it will be like because it’s coming here. I have no idea how the entitled will be incentivized to work.

[TommyLucchese]

@Liberty323

That may not be their intention in the beginning but what about when they receive a notification that the free money is running out?

Money ran out a month ago and the labor shortage hasn’t abated at all, and I’m intimately involved in the process. If anything it’s worse now.

[Jezcoe]

@Liberty323

The unemployment ran out but the workers haven’t returned. It will probably take months for us to return to decent levels of production. I guess we’ll just have to wait and see what it will be like because it’s coming here. I have no idea how the entitled will be incentivized to work.

We are sitting at 5.2 % unemployment. That is getting into the normal churn of the workforce.

Hard to blame that people are “entitled”… maybe if they got paid more for those jobs… or were offered long term security and benefits instead of being treated as replaceable economic units they might go and work for those people.

[Jezcoe]

@TommyLucchese

@Liberty323

That may not be their intention in the beginning but what about when they receive a notification that the free money is running out?

Money ran out a month ago and the labor shortage hasn’t abated at all, and I’m intimately involved in the process. If anything it’s worse now.

There has been a labor shortage in my area of work for years now… and we get paid fairly well. The hours usually seriously suck… but we at least get paid.

[Guntsu]

@Liberty323

That’s why many of your “oppressed” Marxist’s in America come from affluent backgrounds. There’s no such thing as a poor communist.
One of my good friends has 2 sons (ages 29 and 27) who still live at home. Neither will move out because they are “worried about the economy” the boomers left them. They make between $40-50k each in Kentucky, which has a very low cost of living. Neither pay rent, and only pay for their own phone bills and cars/car insurance.
Other than work, my friend says they do nothing but bitch about climate change and conservatives. He accepts the blame but their mom sides with them so he is basically relegated to isolating himself in the basement, away from the political speech and incessant sounds of CNN in the background. He wants them moved out, yesterday.
These two have been given an extremely comfortable lifestyle while learning to hate America in school and via losers on Reddit, Huffpost, etc . They were both hardcore Bernie supporters by the way.

Sounds to me like poor parenting…

[TommyLucchese]

@Jezcoe

There has been a labor shortage in my area of work for years now… and we get paid fairly well. The hours usually seriously suck… but we at least get paid.

Yeah, in my business it’s not that we were generally paying people less than they did in the 90s adjusted for inflation, it’s because they were getting five hundred bucks a week in unemployment instead of two.

[Liberty323]

@TommyLucchese

@Liberty323

That may not be their intention in the beginning but what about when they receive a notification that the free money is running out?

Money ran out a month ago and the labor shortage hasn’t abated at all, and I’m intimately involved in the process. If anything it’s worse now.

Well, a part of me is kind of glad the workers are saying ■■■■ you to corporations that pay their workers ■■■■ but give their CEO’s millions in bonuses each year. I have zero sympathy for the large corporations.

[Liberty323]

I unfortunately agree.

[Guntsu]

I would put more stock in that then Marxist!

But that’s just me…

[fallenturtle]

@Liberty323

@fallenturtle

@Liberty323

They never anointed themselves anything. I’d probably call them democratic socialists, but they’ve commented how they’d like to round up conservatives and exile them so maybe commies. They certainly wouldn’t mind subjecting me and other like-minded individuals to a Cuban or North Korean hell. They just wouldn’t want to live in it themselves.

Sound like tankies (Marxist-Leninist). These types make of a tiny minority of the left. Democratic socialists don’t want a totalitarian or authoritarian state like found in the USSR, Cuba, or North Korea.

That’s not what they want but in countries with much larger populations it can’t help but turn into something like the USSR or North Korea because after the money runs out, and nobody wants to work they have to be forced to work to feed the machine.
The labor market problems happening right now offer a hint of how bad things would be under “democratic socialism” in this country. Freebies for hundreds of millions is much different than freebies for 5-10 million. Somebody has to work, to produce things to buy. We can be given all the money in the world but what will we buy with it if nobody works in places that produce?
With what has happened to the labor market I’m afraid we are going to be seeing even more shortages of skilled workers, food, etc. unless the freebies stop now AND the companies start paying their workers more rather than CEO’s. I blame both the corporations and governments for this problem.

Sounds like your issue isn’t with Democratic Socialism, but with welfare.

With socialism the money that was profit can instead be reinvested in the company and allow higher paychecks for the workers.