Protests do not seem to have spiked COVID cases...this may be why

Smyrna · 2020-06-30T16:48:59.236Z

JayJay:

Not in denial.

Understanding how world organizations work.

And of course the most effective way to make sure world organizations aren’t overly influenced by bad actors is to withdraw one’s own influence from the world.

“Hey! China is overly influencing the WHO! I got it…we will withdraw from the WHO! That will show them!”

Then they better fix their organization because using the world’s condition, based on the false information that they were complicit in spreading, they are a complete failure and if they were in the private sector, would be bankrupt, sued and or everybody fired? You should know how a successful organization works and stop wasting your intelligent time on a failed organizational structure.

Now…talk to me Goose.

JayJay · 2020-06-30T16:52:18.538Z

Smyrna:

JayJay:

Not in denial.

Understanding how world organizations work.

And of course the most effective way to make sure world organizations aren’t overly influenced by bad actors is to withdraw one’s own influence from the world.

“Hey! China is overly influencing the WHO! I got it…we will withdraw from the WHO! That will show them!”

Then they better fix their organization because using the world’s condition, based on the false information that they were complicit in spreading, they are a complete failure and if they were in the private sector, would be bankrupt, sued and or everybody fired? You should know how a successful organization works and stop wasting your intelligent time on a failed organizational structure.

Now…talk to me Goose.

The organizational structure is the way it is because powers like the United States wanted it that way.

And countries don’t work the way a business does.

You want influence in the world…you can’t withdraw from the world.

“But the United States is the most powerful country in the world both economically and militarily. Other countries will HAVE to work with us, so we can do what we want until they come around to how we want them to behave” is the retort I often hear.

You watch how fast the rest of the world will figure out how to get along without us rather than be cowed by such a ridiculous way of operating.

And then you’ll see how America First morphed into America Alone…and you’ll be begging for the deal you threw away because you couldn’t figure out how to keep the baby after the bath water grew stagnant.

Smyrna · 2020-06-30T16:57:04.335Z

JayJay:

The organizational structure is the way it is because powers like the United States wanted it that way.

And countries don’t work the way a business does.

You want influence in the world…you can’t withdraw from the world.

“But the United States is the most powerful country in the world both economically and militarily. Other countries will HAVE to work with us, so we can do what we want until they come around to how we want them to behave” is the retort I often hear.

You watch how fast the rest of the world will figure out how to get along without us rather than be cowed by such a ridiculous way of operating.

And then you’ll see how America First morphed into America Alone…and you’ll be begging for the deal you threw away because you couldn’t figure out how to keep the baby after the bath water grew stagnant.

I have a rule…if you want my pay…it comes with my say. “We” cut the check but they lied to us. Now…they can go bankrupt, falter or what ever China chooses to do with their organization. If the leader isn’t fired…the United States should not ever cut another check until that happens.

WuWei · 2020-06-30T21:30:35.203Z

toreyj01:

Roxiebelle:

Most likely it’s because of increased testing witch equals more cases!

That would be true if the overall percent of positives decreased at the same time. But that isn’t what is happening. We aren’t overtesting, the percentage of positives are going up.

Is CDC still rolling antibody tests in with the new positives?

FloridaYankee · 2020-06-30T22:03:08.570Z

Paul_Thomson:

toreyj01:

WuWei:

The government should have used that.

It’s pretty simple to demonstrate, for sure. Masks are very effective.

So once the virus reaches my moist mask through which I am sucking air, what stops the 0.15 micron virus making it’s way through the 0.35 micron holes in my mask into my mouth and throat and lungs. Is there some virus-specific fly-paper in the mask that they stick to?

The virus is in the water droplets expelled while talking, coughing etc. The water droplets are 20 to 500 microns. You are highly unlikely to find, almost impossible to find, single virus particles floating around.

FloridaYankee · 2020-06-30T22:04:28.194Z

zantax:

You can also bet the vast majority of people aren’t cleaning their masks or if they are, doing so weekly as opposed to after each use.

Mine hangs on the dash of my truck which sits at about 140 degrees in the Florida sun for 8 hours a day. I’m counting on that doing the trick!

westaussie · 2020-07-01T06:20:02.599Z

There does appear to be a deficiency in the logic in withdrawing.

WildRose · 2020-07-01T06:47:58.148Z

DId you read your own citiation?

There is little information on the efficacy of face masks in filtering respiratory viruses and reducing viral release from an individual with respiratory infections8, and most research has focused on influenza11,12.

Only 17% of their 111 test subjects even had CV19.

WildRose · 2020-07-01T06:49:02.464Z

What is the comparative size of those bacteria and CV 19?

Did they test the total amount discharged around the leaks where the mask is not sealed or only that going directly forward?

Engineering.com

The Coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 and COVID-19: What We Know So Far

Coronavirus COVID-19 and SARS-CoV-2 FAQs.

E. Coli, the most commonly used bacteria in Micro classes is over 200x larger than Covid. It would therefore take a mask more than 200x more dense to stop an equal amount of virus particles from getting through and that doesn’t even consider all the leaks where the mask is not sealed around the edges.

Even aerosolized, very tiny droplets, can travel six feet and the larger droplets at least 21’.

safetyandhealthmagazine.com

Aerosol transmission of COVID-19 can exceed 6 feet, shoes can spread...

Wuhan, China — SARS-CoV-2, the coronavirus that causes COVID-19, can be transmitted through the air beyond 6 feet and tracked across floors, results of a recent study conducted by researchers in China show.

WildRose · 2020-07-01T06:56:38.903Z

We’ve been the primary funder of The WHO for decades by several orders of magnitude over any other country.

What did we get during this pandemic from them for all that investment?

The money can be better spent elsewhere until the WHO replaces it’s leadership and gets it’s ■■■■ together as an organization that is supposed to operate without bias and without direction from the CCP.

WildRose · 2020-07-01T06:59:00.081Z

Just keep those most vulnerable to serious/critical illness and death sequestered and protected and the rest of us can get on with our lives.

Those who are most vulnerable cannot adequately be protected with cheap cloth or paper masks.

WildRose · 2020-07-01T07:00:00.037Z

If they weren’t authorized to speak who gave them the microphone?

Hilarious though coming from a guy who puts so much stock in unconfirmed reports and anonymous/unnamed sources.

WildRose · 2020-07-01T07:02:27.048Z

How many confirmed cases of transmission from one person to another by an asymptomatic carrier have there been so far?

Cite them.

WildRose · 2020-07-01T07:04:18.641Z

Anything is possible until it is proven not to be. That’s a pretty ridiculous bar to run with.

Where has it been confirmed? How many cases? Citations?

WildRose · 2020-07-01T07:05:01.261Z

Look how accurate the early models predicting total mortality were… .

WildRose · 2020-07-01T07:06:15.985Z

What is the required loading dose?

What is the required viral load in a patent to reach that dose under what conditions?

WildRose · 2020-07-01T07:10:40.616Z

Can we stop derailing the thread now? We have other forums for this discussion.

Paul_Thomson · 2020-07-01T07:39:56.478Z

FloridaYankee:

The virus is in the water droplets expelled while talking, coughing etc. The water droplets are 20 to 500 microns. You are highly unlikely to find, almost impossible to find, single virus particles floating around.

So, you appear to believe viruses are incapable of being sucked through a damp mask, or a dried mask being reworn on which it had previously landed. Do you have any scientific basis for that belief.

Camp · 2020-07-01T08:04:07.198Z

NYC slashes PD budget by 20 percent.

Then they want PD to enforce quarantine.

Crazyness.

WildRose · 2020-07-01T08:05:22.267Z

The micro droplets or 'nuclei" also transmit it and other than big heavy globs of phloem which are easily caught by a cloth mask the rest easily escapes around the leaky edges.