Liberal value.

You would be wrong. 1997 was the height of the 1994 AWB.

Right- I am saying that an assault weapons ban was passed in 94 by a Bipartisan congress. The thought of this happening today is unthinkable.

Nobody believed they would do it.
Then we all believed the courts would take care of it.
I left the country.

No- many conservatives were much more open to sensible gun laws- from the 60s through the 90s. Things have changed- dramatically. You could say thats a good thing. I don’t think so.

Yeah, we gave at the office. And progs never stopped demanding more. The ban was the straw that broke the camel’s back. And there was nothing “sensible” about it.

No more giving. Just ressentiment and refusal.

You can only push people so far; something progs haven’t figured out.

right.

Glad we could agree

No- we don’t. Just acknowledging your statement.

Not to say that there are no problems now - there certainly are - but things were worse from a crime perspective 20 - 30 years ago. I think it is perceived to be higher now because everyone is walking around with a camera and has access to global platforms on which to broadcast to the world those images.

I’m an SF bay area native. SF has always had a homeless problem, but in most parts of the city you are not going to run into this. Yes, it is worse now and you definitely see more tents setup. There is an ongoing program to remove tent cities and get the homeless into housing.

One point that the article brought up, and with which I agree, is that part of the problem in SF, and in CA in general, is NIMBYism. We complain about the high cost of housing, yet often oppose efforts to build more dense and/or low-income housing.

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It’s the truth.

Abortion is a different question. I say the liberal value there is to stay out of the doctor-patient relationship. To keep government out of it.

The Trumpism/fascism comment is absurd. What is the liberal value there?

Punishing me and mine for what some ■■■■ bag somewhere else did is not a liberal value.

I thought thats what you meant. And its a fair point that actual crime- larceny, murder etc has been going down since the 90’s. Same here in Portland. Again- I think its primarily due to the cities becoming wealthier.

But what we have been seeing is rapidly rising homelessness rates, drug overdoses, petty politics around who is more woke in schools and city councils, etc.

Though the Far Left is throwing oceans of money at homelessness, its not making a dent because the fundamental issue is wealth inequality and the insane cost of rents/housing.

And yes you’re right that leads to NIMBYism based on old boomers who have crazy equity in their SF abode wanting to keep the riff riff out, etc.

I’m not sure how its possible to reckon extremely wealthy cities with helping those who have little to none and are struggling with addiction, mental illness etc- but progressives have not solved this issue.

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Seriously- not to dismiss this- but there are plenty of threads on abortion/guns/Trump. You know my views. I’m actually interested in the topic of this thread- the ills of the Far Left.

Why do you assume they want housing?

Why do you assume they want housing?

Why do you assume they want housing?

There are some that literally can’t handle housing because they are psychotic/heavily addicted- but I think if you offered most people a room with a bed and a bathroom and it was near their buddies- they’d take that over a tent on the street in a heartbeat.

You want a project complex moving in next to you?

I’d do a lot to not have to see humans living in filth and misery down the street.

Until they had to put any effort at all into it. Look at what happens to projects.

There is a certain attraction to the lifestyle.