WuWei
904
What would be an acceptable cost to you?
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Kind of sounds like “from the river to the sea”, isn’t that what many of these protesters are saying??
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tnt
906
Obviously 0:1 civilian:hamas would be ideal, but is impossible.
how about 1:1?
WuWei
908
Did you actually read it? Do you understand it?
What is interesting is how everyone in the world is challenging Israel’s numbers, but accepting Hamas’ numbers at face value.
What science did you use to arrive at that ratio?
What do you know about the METT-TC os the AO?
That article is misogynistic in its assumptions.
Define “children.”
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Heroism and success aren’t synonymous. Next time when you don’t understand something. Ask.
Rodeo
911
How about this…
How about American libs stop thinking they have a right to run Israel’s war for survival.
Don’t know if you’ve noticed but y’all don’t have a very good record getting anything right here in the good ol’ USA.
The only thing on the line in Israel is the survival of their country…so maybe you American leftists should stop pretending anyone in Israel should either care or listen to what you think.
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tnt
912
How does killing 20,000 women help their survival?
Rodeo
914
The data is cloudy at best…
The Israeli’s were attacked and have responded. They could have turned Gaza to glass in a few days if they’d wanted. They didn’t.
I’ve never served and never been to Israel so I won’t second guess the israelis…but it seems simple common sense that when the enemy is hiding among civilians and the civilians are allowing it civilians are going to die in a fight like this. The Israelis told them to leave months ago. They stayed at their own peril.
Hamas started this and Hamas is the group hiding among the civilians. Again I’ve never served but common sense would seem to suggest that the alternative to civilian casualties in this kind of war is to do nothing…and that’s not an option. War sucks…Israel didn’t start it but they need to finish it.
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Zippy
915
Again I ask.
Have you ever seen any action?
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Rodeo
916
I’m assuming his answer would be no…
Mine is no. Never served so if one of this forums veterans wants to correct me I will gladly stand corrected.
Rush used to say the purpose of the military is to kill people and break their things. Simple but accurate.
On October 7 Hamas launched an unprovoked attack killing, raping, torturing, and taking hostages. More than 1200 civilians were the victims of that attack directly, the entire nation of Israel indirectly.
You do ■■■■ like that you in effect invite the people whose job it is to kill people and break things into your country.
I see no reason for the Israeli’s to adopt some politically correct strategy in this fight.
Here’s where I might be corrected by those who have served. I’ve always wondered about wars where the purpose was anything other than a complete defeat of your opponent. Fighting not to lose seems like a good way to lose doesn’t it? Opponents who are greeted with devastating force seem like the kind who won’t come back.
Hamas is hiding among the civilians…civilian deaths seem inevitable…but the fact remains the Israeli’s need to win this war and to do so by devastating Hamas. There must never be another October 7 (which will always be possible as long as Iran is funding terrorism)…but Hamas must be ended.
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Zippy
917
I would bet you’re correct.
The only reason I ask is to make a point.
He seems very eager to put constraints upon warfare but seems ignorant of what it is really like.
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Plus he’s totally ignoring that the numbers cannot be accurate because Hamas and Islamic Jihad are non uniformed combatants. The Hamas controlled health ministry counts them as civilians, not soldier KIAs.
And frankly once you’re 14 and carry a rifle, you’re not a kid anymore. They’re certainly not to the Palestinians. You’re a a man at that point. But yet they are still counted as children because of how the UN counts children (anyone under 17 is considered a child by UN numbers).
In other words, Hamas is talented at playing on Western sensibilities.
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And it’s crazy we are that sensitive about age of combatants considering our own western history of letting people under 17 fight in Western wars. The Germans heavily influenced Western culture yet in both World Wars they were drafting 14 year olds at the end. And in the American Civil War the Confederates were drafting 14 year olds in 1864 and the Union generally didn’t throw a fit when they volunteered.
Guvnah
922
How does pulling numbers out of your ass make a valid argument?
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Guvnah
923
Well, Western emotions, at least.
A lot of Western reaction is not sensible.
