Guvnah
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You’re asserting that point with someone who has already stated some things he would have welcomed had they been in Biden’s speech.
Thus your assertion is dishonest.
Zippy
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I have no power over what anonymous strangers on an internet message board do or do not believe. Neither do I care.
That is your interpretation.
Guvnah
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You say what you want to say.
I say it’s flat out wrong.
Zippy
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Well he does claim to be a lawyer so that kinda tracks.
History says so. You can imagine whatever you wish.
I quoted his condemnation of antisemitic protests. That was ignored i guess…
for no reason whatsoever
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conan
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Yeah…what the hell was that all about?
That’s nice. I posted the quote that the poster requested. It was brushed over. Nothing dishonest about my assertion. let me know if there was anythying else
So wait the quotes that you are requesting have to be word for word what you said not just through implication?
I’d say German resistance to Hitler really picked up at the end when everyone realized that Hitler’s goal was if Germany can’t win then we will take Germany down and the rest of them can come along for the ride. So his Nero decree got ignored (he ordered that all factories and bridges in Germany be destroyed in March 1945 but Albert Speer and accomplices made sure that didn’t happen) and German officers started intentionally retreating west so their men could surrender to the Americans and the British rather than take their chances with the Soviets. Like Wenck’s 12th army was directly ordered to engage the Soviets at Berlin and instead Wenck had the men gather up refugees and wounded soldiers from other units and then take them to the Elbe to surrender to the Americans.
But he is right in saying that outside of moral reasons, the German resistance early in the war didn’t really accomplish anything. Mainly because they were all mostly too afraid to make the ultimate sacrifice for Germany. Which was for someone to walk up to the Fuhrer during a meeting and blow his brains out. They all assumed that the German people, who are obedient to the system as a national character trait, wouldn’t understand it and revile them for it because Hitler retained his popularity late into late 1944. It wasn’t until the Ardennes failed completely and the Soviets were raping their way through East Prussia that the average German realized that the jig was up at that point.
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Zippy
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No, I saw it.
Said in passing as walking away from making a speech.
Be nice if he had said it as a part of his speech pertaining to the pro-terrorist protest.
But I like the attempt.
“He did so condemn antisemitism, he said something about 2 weeks ago while walking away from a speech he made about “earth day “.
That’s pretty weak.
There ya go! You shouldn’t accuse people of dishonesty and then do exactly what they asserted you are doing…
Amazing
It has to be said in the way you want it, in the time you want it, in the words you want it! But then it will be something else. Like always 
I dislike that people are saying that the anti-Israel protests are like the Vietnam War protests in the 70’s. During the Vietnam War, people were sent off against their will via the draft into a war they didn’t choose. LBJ even lied about sending people into war.
These protests are about people not liking the funding of the Israel-Palestine war and chanting anti-semitism.
Not to mention Israel is the victim here, and these people are rooting on terrorists and chanting death to america and israel.
The two couldn’t be more different in terms of circumstances.
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Germans were obsessed with 1918. And Hitler earned a lot of goodwill by kicking the ■■■■ out of France in 1940 and avenging it. Even when ■■■■ started going real south in 1942 the Germans still heavily supported Hitler because he redeemed 1918. Even the Wehrmacht officers were supportive until really Kursk, where they started questioning if he had a full grasp on the reality of Germany’s military situation or not. Then a bunch of them launched the July 20th plot and in reprisal Hitler had all the conspirators they could get their hands on hung with piano wire. The Army was sort of done with him at that point for both their own survival and the fact that he was making a ton of really bad decisions that were dooming Germany’s defense. His calls became so bad that the Allies stopped trying to assassinate him. They all (even Stalin who really hated Hitler on a personal level) starting seeing him as benefit to the allied cause because he was putting the Wehrmacht and Waffen SS into situations where they couldn’t win or even cause outsized casualties on the defense.
WuWei
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From the river to the sea.
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Right so you want conditions. Always conditions. Hoops for a dem to jump through.
Zippy
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Oh goody.
More assumptions.
Let’s see. Gives a speech about the pro-terrorist protests on college campuses and says nothing about the main point of the protests. That being antisemitism.
But hey. He said something about it in passing 2 weeks ago as he was walking away from an earth day speech.
Bloody hysterical.
One more thing to add to my other post. At the end of the war in Europe in WWII it wasn’t just the allies thinking about post war world and the new order. German officers and even the not lunatic Nazi officials were thinking about it. And the the ordinary Germans were thinking about it too. They all knew they were going to lose by that point. The only real question was how could they influence the post war world with their last few months remaining. Lots of delusions were going around, especially in Hitler’s personal court. But also some realistic dreams were being dreamt up at the same time.
