Pro life doesnt care about kids after the moment of birth

[FlameHeart]

Why is it that when a pregnant woman is killed, it is considered a double homicide in some states, such as Oklahoma?

https://www.nrlc.org/federal/unbornvictims/statehomicidelaws092302/

[Guntsu]

Welcome to the world kid!

Here is a pair of bootstraps you gonna need em…

[H_Arendt]

@FlameHeart

Please explain how abortion isn’t murder. Murder is the intentional act of ending another being’s life. Science has proven that life starts at conception.

Can you document how science has proven that life starts at conception?

Start with the essence of science: any hypothesis to be testable must be disprovable. There is no concept more basic to the scientific method. So, if your hypothesis is that life begins at conception, what are the conditions under which that statement can be disproven. In the absence of those conditions, there is no ability for scientists to test the hypothesis that life begins at conception.

If you don’t want to answer as a scientist, then please provide a list of peer reviewed journal articles that offer scientific demonstrations that life begins at conception. Preferably cite Science, Nature or JAMA – something that scientists would recognize as substantial.

[MidwestIndy]

@FlameHeart

That’s…a false equivalency. And I think the term means something other than what you think it means, or it doesn’t support your argument very well. Your post is also focusing on one word, and not the entire sentence.

It also says that it is the unlawful killing of a human being. A fetus, an embryo, a morula, even a zygote- those are all human beings, in their earliest development stage. Abortion ends their life.

Also, abortion isn’t legal in every state- there are states with restrictions, and states with outright bans. So why is it legal in some states, and not the others, if it is decided that abortion is murder?

Its not a false equivalency. Its THE LAW. What you think the term means is irrelevant. Try using the correct term if you are going to make a claim. I’ll help you out, the word you are looking for is homicide.

And no there aren’t any states with outright bans, even backwards ass Alabama, you can still get an abortion there if a mother’s life is at risk.

So again. Abortion isn’t murder. Remember this … unlawful, unlawful, unlawful repeat it 100x till you get what that means.

[Cynic]

Because it was unlawful. This can’t be that confusing…

[Call_me_Ishmael]

When no one cares about a person, are you advocating that the person be killed?

Otherwise… what is the point of your thread?

[FlameHeart]

I get it. You can focus on one word and throw the rest to the wind. Moving on.

[H_Arendt]

Since we are quoting dictionaries what makes a dictionary authoritative.

Hu·man be·ing

noun

1. a man, woman, or child of the species ■■■■ sapiens , distinguished from other animals by superior mental development, power of articulate speech, and upright stance.

This definition does not include “fetus” as human being. I am sure you disagree so my question is not whether you disagree, but what is your basis for insisting that one definition is correct and another is not?

[MidwestIndy]

@FlameHeart

Why is it that when a pregnant woman is killed, it is considered a double homicide in some states, such as Oklahoma?

Because killing a mother and her unborn child is unlawful.

[FlameHeart]

Sure. I’ll provide several documents. This was just the first site that came up on a Google search, and there are many more if you dig deeper: Life Begins at Fertilization with the Embryo's Conception

https://www.acpeds.org/the-college-speaks/position-statements/life-issues/when-human-life-begins

Why a Human Being Begins At Conception - NAAPC

[FlameHeart]

Glad we agree on something.

[MidwestIndy]

@FlameHeart

I get it. You can focus on one word and throw the rest to the wind. Moving on.

When that one word in the U.S code of law definition is the determining context of the word … you bet.

[Call_me_Ishmael]

Flaneheart… they are citing the law. They do that when they like the law. When they cannot debate on the basis of an inherent morality within humankind, they say (Paraphrasing) … “It’s the law. Period.”

But when they dont like the law, they say the law is unjust. They try to change the law.

Wait till Ginburgercheese is gone and replaced. The law will likely be changed to say “it’s a state and local decision” . Then libs suddenly won’t like the law. Maybe we can have a discussion on this topic at that time.

Intellectual honesty

[MidwestIndy]

@FlameHeart

Glad we agree on something.

But removing a fetus isn’t unlawful is various different circumstances, thus it isn’t murder in those same circumstances.

[Bodecea]

@Jamerican

The proper term should probably be pro-birth.

Actually “pro-forced birth”

[FlameHeart]

It is dishonest. I believe the term “unlawful” in his post points to whether it is condoned by the judiciary system- things such as capital punishment and the death penalty, would not be murder, since the person being killed has done (horrendous) acts that warrant it. Not whether it is against the law at the time- all killings of an innocent person, are against the law. Or so should be assumed.

I would love to have a discussion about it some time.

[FlameHeart]

@H_Arendt get back here and answer for your crimes.

[Guvnah]

Any biology text that addresses the question of life beginning at conception affirms that life indeed does begin at conception. Ditto any medical test. Ditto any embryology text.

And you will not find one that asserts to the contrary.

[Cynic]

I enjoy watching people get angry at language when they misuse it. No, you don’t get to just make up new definitions for words. Sorry.

[H_Arendt]

These are powerfully stated opinion pieces, but they are not science. Science requires falsifiability and there is nothing but a set of stated opinions here.

Consensus of Medical Doctors agree that life begins a conception… you can make that statement, but that is different than stating science proves the point.