Presidential Proclamation on the Death of Senator John Sidney McCain III

JayJay · 2018-08-29T13:34:19.307Z

When you do the right thing because you were badgered into doing it, does it really count as having done the right thing?

MichaelScarn · 2018-08-29T13:36:11.388Z

I’m not sure how anyone, even a trump supporter, could draw the conclusion that he did the right thing at any point this weekend.

He posted a one sentence instagram post with a giant picture of himself on it.
He nixed a white house statement on mccains death
He didn’t push to keep the flag at half staff after the weekend
He only released a statement and lowered the flag again after bipartisan blowback

JayJay · 2018-08-29T13:37:12.697Z

Here’s what I think might have happened.

These two were only following Trump-supporting media reporting on the issue, and didn’t know he wasn’t going to release a statement and only did so because he was badgered into it…and that badgering includes veterans’ groups who were strong supporters of his.

Smyrna · 2018-08-29T13:37:19.411Z

JayJay:

It was in the news a couple days ago.

You know…kind of what caused the backlash in the first place?

So you have been under a rock…

I just saw a video of CNN questioning John Sonunu about it. Evidently it came from the Washington Post and he felt as confident about it’s crediblity as I am and told the host just that. She was as flabergasted by the response as you are. I guess you’re more of a Washington Post/CNN kind of believer than I am and…I’m fine with that.

JayJay · 2018-08-29T13:38:25.466Z

Ah so it’s that you don’t believe what was reported.

Got it…you prefer alternative facts.

Smyrna · 2018-08-29T13:41:54.708Z

JayJay:

Ah so it’s that you don’t believe what was reported.

Got it…you prefer alternative facts.

Is that what Governor Sununu believes according to you? Ok…I’m fine with that too. I’m in good company.

DougBH · 2018-08-29T14:12:21.154Z

Poor McCain. Despised and called a racist by the left when he was alive, weaponized by the left after his demise.

LucyLou · 2018-08-29T14:15:05.113Z

Blackwolf:

I imagine being able to make himself sound most kingly with that proclamation took some of sting out of that ass chap.

He didn’t read it. It’s longer than a tweet.

Guntsu · 2018-08-29T14:19:13.471Z

Those veteran groups should have kept their mouths shut! How dare they question the flaccid actions of Trump…

MichaelScarn · 2018-08-29T14:24:08.700Z

That’s a nice fiction tale, but McCain was and is generally one of the more respected GOP politicians by the left. His constant desire to bomb away the world’s problems and his unleashing of Sarah Palin on an unsuspecting populace are rightly criticized, but he was and is respected as at least being capable of independent thought.

DougBH · 2018-08-29T15:07:21.390Z

Yeah. Right.

“On Sunday’s Face the Nation , Obama supporter retired Gen. Wesley Clark, remarkably, went there: “I don’t think riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to be president.” So did liberal blogger John Aravosis, writing that “getting shot down, tortured, and then doing propaganda for the enemy is not command experience.” On Monday, former Obama adviser Rand Beers argued that McCain’s isolation as a POW limited his insight on national security issues.”

Slate Magazine – 30 Jun 08

Democrats attack McCain's war record. McCain rejoices.

Top McCain adviser Charlie Black was eviscerated last week for suggesting that a terrorist attack would help John McCain win the presidency. Please....

When the McCain campaign questions Obama’s background, they’re asking their supporters if a black man should be president

the Guardian – 14 Oct 08

Lola Adesioye: The McCain-Palin campaign incites racial hatred among their...

Lola Adesioye: When the McCain campaign questions Obama's background, they're asking their supporters if a black man should be president

MichaelScarn · 2018-08-29T15:46:45.301Z

how long did it take you to find a handful of examples? Two of which aren’t questioning his heroism, rather his command experience, and one of those two people was the Supreme Allied Commander of NATO, also known as a relevant authority on the issue. He wasn’t a draft dodging coward. Regardless, how is this relevant to what I posted? As of June, John McCain had a 62% favorable rating among Arizona democrats.

Drawz · 2018-08-29T15:57:27.478Z

DougBH:

Poor McCain. Despised and called a racist by the left when he was alive, weaponized by the left after his demise.

Veterans groups and Republican Senators are, “the left” now?

MichaelScarn · 2018-08-29T16:00:33.501Z

The American Legion has long been known for their radical leftist ideology.

DougBH · 2018-08-29T16:21:22.846Z

MichaelScarn:

The American Legion has long been known for their radical leftist ideology.

The American legion never attacked his record in the military or implied cowardice or even treason when he was captured. Supporters of the Obama campaign did.
And don’t kid yourself that this wasn’t approved by the campaign before it was done.

Nor did the American legion call him a racist.

MichaelScarn · 2018-08-29T16:23:42.279Z

Donald Trump did, unless you also don’t like people who were captured. Why are you bringing up what people on the left said in a thread about Trump’s complete disrespect for McCain. You’re engaging in WHATABOUTISM. I’ve already pointed out that McCain had a 62% approval rating among Arizona democrats. Do you know what the GOP number was? 20%.

SimplyTrying · 2018-08-29T16:25:30.297Z

Appalling.

DougBH · 2018-08-29T16:25:49.675Z

Another phrase for “whataboutism” is “recognizing hypocrisy”. They love McCain when he could be used against Trump, hated and reviled him when he ran against Obama.

MichaelScarn · 2018-08-29T16:27:21.801Z

yes, another word for your WHATABOUTISM is hypocrisy. You’re ignoring the redwood forest in your eye to focus on the speck in Democrat’s eyes. Trump flat out said he’s not heroic for being captured, and then carried a petty grudge for three years, up to and through his death. His actions this weekend are indefensible.

TommyLucchese · 2018-08-29T16:49:35.203Z

DougBH:

Another phrase for “whataboutism” is “recognizing hypocrisy”. They love McCain when he could be used against Trump, hated and reviled him when he ran against Obama.

You voted for him for president despite hardly ever having anything positive to say about him and tons of negative things to say. Doesn’t that make you the same kind of hypocrite?