President Carter in Hospice Care at Home

zantax · 2023-02-19T01:25:36.716Z

Sad to hear but you should really look into the hospice scam, whole lot of poor uneducated people being sold that option by scammers. Come to hospice, you can get a wheelchair or some other medical need met, if you just sign away your right to treatment Not saying that is the case here, saying it’s a nationwide epidemic people need to be aware of.

Los Angeles Times – 29 Mar 22

‘Large-scale fraud’ and lax oversight plague California’s hospice industry,...

A state audit spurred by a Times investigation of L.A. County hospice agencies mirrors the newspaper's findings of widespread fraud and neglect.

Eagle-Keeper · 2023-02-19T01:52:51.356Z

I’m sure people will take this the wrong way, but isn’t the dude like almost 100 years old?

zantax · 2023-02-19T03:13:33.779Z

Eagle-Keeper:

I’m sure people will take this the wrong way, but isn’t the dude like almost 100 years old?

How does that matter?

Munimula1 · 2023-02-19T03:28:06.023Z

98, so good for him- it’s OK to go now, rather than drag it out. Nice to have that choice.

zantax · 2023-02-19T05:00:58.260Z

Munimula1:

98, so good for him- it’s OK to go now, rather than drag it out. Nice to have that choice.

No it’s kind of messed up. In order to get hospice care you have to formally agree your illness will no longer be treated. That’s insane. Why should he have to make such an agreement? For what purpose? How does it benefit the patient?

WuWei · 2023-02-19T12:19:43.318Z

zantax:

Eagle-Keeper:

I’m sure people will take this the wrong way, but isn’t the dude like almost 100 years old?

How does that matter?

Life has an expectancy. He’s a decade past it. Nobody lives forever. Getting old is not for the weak.

WuWei · 2023-02-19T12:21:21.786Z

zantax:

Munimula1:

98, so good for him- it’s OK to go now, rather than drag it out. Nice to have that choice.

No it’s kind of messed up. In order to get hospice care you have to formally agree your illness will no longer be treated. That’s insane. Why should he have to make such an agreement? For what purpose? How does it benefit the patient?

He didn’t have to, he chose to. You think he’s paying for it? He’s not.

Munimula1 · 2023-02-19T14:39:18.841Z

zantax:

Munimula1:

98, so good for him- it’s OK to go now, rather than drag it out. Nice to have that choice.

No it’s kind of messed up. In order to get hospice care you have to formally agree your illness will no longer be treated. That’s insane. Why should he have to make such an agreement? For what purpose? How does it benefit the patient?

Because he wanted to be in his own home, in his own bed, with his family. What good does being in a hospital attached to an IV and EKG do a 98 year old? It’s normal to die at 98.

Smyrna · 2023-02-19T22:11:51.174Z

zantax:

Sad to hear but you should really look into the hospice scam, whole lot of poor uneducated people being sold that option by scammers. Come to hospice, you can get a wheelchair or some other medical need met, if you just sign away your right to treatment Not saying that is the case here, saying it’s a nationwide epidemic people need to be aware of.

The original hospice was non-profit and made up of a handful of professionals plus many, many volunteers. It’s an excellent organization and I served on the local board for many years. Then the medical community got into hospice for profit. Their profit comes from what is not spent on the patient. This is one arena that profit seekers should stay out of…period.

President Carter may very well have been the finest person to be POTUS in my lifetime but as a President, he was terrible. May he be comfortable for the balance of his life.

GWH · 2023-02-19T22:28:24.229Z

A good man. 98 is a long time to live. He’s been a good and faithful servant.

zantax · 2023-02-19T22:40:05.738Z

Smyrna:

zantax:

Sad to hear but you should really look into the hospice scam, whole lot of poor uneducated people being sold that option by scammers. Come to hospice, you can get a wheelchair or some other medical need met, if you just sign away your right to treatment Not saying that is the case here, saying it’s a nationwide epidemic people need to be aware of.

The original hospice was non-profit and made up of a handful of professionals plus many, many volunteers. It’s an excellent organization and I served on the local board for many years. Then the medical community got into hospice for profit. Their profit comes from what is not spent on the patient. This is one arena that profit seekers should stay out of…period.

President Carter may very well have been the finest person to be POTUS in my lifetime but as a President, he was terrible. May he be comfortable for the balance of his life.

Thankfully someone finally understood my post.

ProPublica

Endgame: How the Visionary Hospice Movement Became a For-Profit Hustle

Half of all Americans now die in hospice care. Easy money and a lack of regulation transformed a crusade to provide death with dignity into an industry rife with fraud and exploitation.

I had just happened to come across that article a few weeks ago. Same sort of thing goes on in nursing homes. Suing one right now that dropped my mother and broke her hip which was pretty much the proximate cause of her death. My lawyer advises that if we win a big settlement they will just declare bankruptcy and open under another corporate entity.

wonderingrover · 2023-02-20T00:36:05.976Z

zantax:

Munimula1:

98, so good for him- it’s OK to go now, rather than drag it out. Nice to have that choice.

No it’s kind of messed up. In order to get hospice care you have to formally agree your illness will no longer be treated. That’s insane. Why should he have to make such an agreement? For what purpose? How does it benefit the patient?

I have a rather unique perspective on this as I now have an auto - immune disorder that affects my lungs and heart. It has brought me face to face with death twice in the past 18 months. It’s difficult to imagine until you’ve faced something like this, but there are times when letting go and letting nature take it’s course is a much more preferable option than the alternative.

I’ve actually set up a living will and DNR, both arranged as to keep suffering to a minimum when the time comes.

zantax · 2023-02-20T00:39:56.175Z

wonderingrover:

zantax:

Munimula1:

98, so good for him- it’s OK to go now, rather than drag it out. Nice to have that choice.

No it’s kind of messed up. In order to get hospice care you have to formally agree your illness will no longer be treated. That’s insane. Why should he have to make such an agreement? For what purpose? How does it benefit the patient?

I have a rather unique perspective on this as I now have an auto - immune disorder that affects my lungs and heart. It has brought me face to face with death twice in the past 18 months. It’s difficult to imagine until you’ve faced something like this, but there are times when letting go and letting nature take it’s course is a much more preferable option than the alternative.

I’ve actually set up a living will and DNR, both arranged as to keep suffering to a minimum when the time comes.

You should read the article I linked to be aware of the bad actors in that space. I wish you the best health outcome. It’s not impossible to have a good outcome but it’s profitable and being abused by nefarious actors.

Munimula1 · 2023-02-20T00:40:59.133Z

I’m with you 100%.

Munimula1 · 2023-02-20T00:43:40.319Z

I’m sure there are ■■■■ heads in the field- there’s always someone trying to grab a buck. However, hospital based hospice seems to be a pretty good deal. Honest, kind, and caring.

Munimula1 · 2023-02-20T00:50:22.328Z

Oh man- I read your article- sounds like a John Grisham novel.

zantax · 2023-02-20T00:51:41.715Z

Munimula1:

Oh man- I read your article- sounds like a John Grisham novel.

Change your mind or no?

Munimula1 · 2023-02-20T00:56:19.107Z

About hospice? No. I don’t think most people arrange their hospice care thru traveling salespeople. They get it thru their hospitals, or physicians- with health insurance. That story was awful, though, and I am sure it happens to poor people with lousy or no insurance. Affordable health care is key.

tnt · 2023-02-20T03:37:22.140Z

Because not stating that conflicts with medical professionals sworn oaths.

tnt · 2023-02-20T03:39:41.325Z

zantax:

I had just happened to come across that article a few weeks ago. Same sort of thing goes on in nursing homes. Suing one right now that dropped my mother and broke her hip which was pretty much the proximate cause of her death. My lawyer advises that if we win a big settlement they will just declare bankruptcy and open under another corporate entity.

win that suit…those places are terrible…