Post election speculation - GOP

Smyrna · 2020-10-19T13:12:41.098Z

highroller:

The Trump tax cuts were temporary for the middle class anyway. Repealing them is necessary for a functioning government.

Incorrectomundo. Spending is what needs to be “repealed”. Why punish what’s generating the revenue…especially during this virus? Spending is out of control and what needs to be addressed more than ANY other factor in our government.

NuffSaid · 2020-10-19T13:20:47.958Z

DougBH:

NuffSaid:

Oldandtired:

I will vote for who ever will get me closer to my goals. Sorry that man is not someone who supports the killing of innocent babies.

So that issue is in line with the religious right, not conservatism. But that one issue overrides exploding debt and bailouts.

Interesting.

What is the Biden plan for getting rid of “exploding debt”? No, taxing a few rich people isn’t going to do it. If he is talking about repealing the Trump tax cuts, he is talking about hitting the middle class.

Democrats are not the party of “fiscal conservatism”. They don’t make that a focal point. And certainly don’t yell at the moon when they aren’t in power that “debt will crush our kids and grandkids”.

Biden already stated he’s not repealing Trump’s tax cuts, he’s gonna modify it so taxes will go up on those making more than $400K a year.

highroller · 2020-10-19T13:22:01.440Z

Smyrna:

Spending is what needs to be “repealed”.

It has become quite apparent that reducing spending is never going to happen in DC until the dollar loses its world reserve status, so to somewhat control the debt level we must look at raising taxes to fund the spending.

GOP could have reduced spending in 2017 - 2018 and did nothing.

Smyrna · 2020-10-19T13:29:28.844Z

highroller:

It has become quite apparent that reducing spending is never going to happen in DC until the dollar loses its world reserve status, so to somewhat control the debt level we must look at raising taxes to fund the spending.

GOP could have reduced spending in 2017 - 2018 and did nothing.

Oh…I wish I were king for a time…

DougBH · 2020-10-19T13:47:01.463Z

NuffSaid:

DougBH:

NuffSaid:

Oldandtired:

I will vote for who ever will get me closer to my goals. Sorry that man is not someone who supports the killing of innocent babies.

So that issue is in line with the religious right, not conservatism. But that one issue overrides exploding debt and bailouts.

Interesting.

What is the Biden plan for getting rid of “exploding debt”? No, taxing a few rich people isn’t going to do it. If he is talking about repealing the Trump tax cuts, he is talking about hitting the middle class.

Democrats are not the party of “fiscal conservatism”. They don’t make that a focal point. And certainly don’t yell at the moon when they aren’t in power that “debt will crush our kids and grandkids”.

Biden already stated he’s not repealing Trump’s tax cuts, he’s gonna modify it so taxes will go up on those making more than $400K a year.

So this is all to complain about Trump exploding debts, not to say that exploding debts are bad or that Biden will do anything about them?
Ok. That’s a campaign point…I guess.

NuffSaid · 2020-10-19T13:50:08.866Z

DougBH:

NuffSaid:

DougBH:

NuffSaid:

Oldandtired:

I will vote for who ever will get me closer to my goals. Sorry that man is not someone who supports the killing of innocent babies.

So that issue is in line with the religious right, not conservatism. But that one issue overrides exploding debt and bailouts.

Interesting.

What is the Biden plan for getting rid of “exploding debt”? No, taxing a few rich people isn’t going to do it. If he is talking about repealing the Trump tax cuts, he is talking about hitting the middle class.

Democrats are not the party of “fiscal conservatism”. They don’t make that a focal point. And certainly don’t yell at the moon when they aren’t in power that “debt will crush our kids and grandkids”.

Biden already stated he’s not repealing Trump’s tax cuts, he’s gonna modify it so taxes will go up on those making more than $400K a year.

So this is all to complain about Trump exploding debts, not to say that exploding debts are bad or that Biden will do anything about them?
Ok. That’s a campaign point…I guess.

I’m not part of the party that screamed every month from 2008-2016 that Obama’s destroying America with the exploding debt.

highroller · 2020-10-19T13:55:13.071Z

That party also controlled part of the Congress from 2010 - 2016, all of Congress from 2014 - 2016 and all of government 2017 - 2018, and could have raised taxes to deal with the deficit, but instead complained about spending for six years and then reduced taxes in 2017 without cutting spending and made the deficit worse.

Now they’re back to complaining about spending.

DougBH · 2020-10-19T13:55:13.450Z

Fine. You don’t care about exploding debt, you just want to say Trump is bad because of exploding debt.

sikofit · 2020-10-19T13:57:29.101Z

Oldandtired:

Unlike you who are going to vote for a candidate who acts like a bully, lies all the time, calls people names and will enact a totally far left agenda.

This is a joke right?

sikofit · 2020-10-19T13:59:23.644Z

NuffSaid:

Oldandtired:

So I need to make a thread about what I do and not do. Seems your not my mommy and I don’t have to give you a list of who I have called, spoken to and what I have done.
What have you done except come here and complain.

Nope, there was a thread about Trump bailing out farmers. I want to go through the thread and see where you posted about how Trump is wrong since a true conservative would have done. Right?

Along with the tariffs, not exactly conservative

Smyrna · 2020-10-19T13:59:47.969Z

highroller:

That party also controlled part of the Congress from 2010 - 2016 and could have raised taxes to deal with the deficit, but instead complained about spending for six years and then reduced taxes in 2017 making the deficit worse.

Now they’re back to complaining about spending.

That’s bull feces. The spending is what drove the debt up, not the tax cuts.

Despite the enormous tax cut, federal revenue increased by $10 billion in 2018, by $130 billion in 2019, and was projected to grow by even more in 2020 before the COVID-19 pandemic and its economic effects.

The Washington Times

Did the Trump tax cuts really ‘work?’

Did the Trump tax cuts work? Yes — GDP growth increased, which led to significantly increased personal incomes and job creation. And the individual tax cuts primarily benefitted middle-income earners rather than the wealthy.

once-ler · 2020-10-19T14:04:09.503Z

NuffSaid:

Oldandtired:

Conservatives have taken over the Republican party again.
The rino’s don’t like that they are once again being told side with the left we will find someone who will speak for us. The rino’s got their men in the last few elections before Trump. Romney and McCain both big loser rino’s. The conservative party does not want to be dem light they want to be bold and fight for things they believe in.
Biden is proof that the dem on the left are scared the party is getting out of their control. So they cheated Bernie once again and installed an old liar. I really don’t think it’s going to work much longer. All you have to do is look at the riots, looting and burning to know that.

Conservatives have been jettisoned from the party.
It’s Trump brand Republicanism that rules GOP.

It’s irrefutable.

In 1983, the British Labour Party’s 39-page manifesto (platform), chock-full of socialism, was called the longest suicide note in history. This year, in history’s shortest — 14 words — suicide note (“RESOLVED, That the 2020 Republican National Convention will adjourn without adopting a new platform …”) Republicans said: Trump is all that we are.

sikofit · 2020-10-19T14:05:25.899Z

gooddad409:

No they wouldn’t! Given a choice between a moderate gop member and a dem they will go dem every time.

Incorrect, while that might be the way you think it doesn’t mean its how others do. I vote across the aisle all the time especially at the state & local level

NuffSaid · 2020-10-19T15:13:57.250Z

DougBH:

Fine. You don’t care about exploding debt, you just want to say Trump is bad because of exploding debt.

I do care, but in 2020, there’s more pressing issues.
I will be amused to see the swath of monthly threads by “conservatives” that Joe Biden and the debt is ruining America.

NuffSaid · 2020-10-19T15:16:30.561Z

sikofit:

gooddad409:

No they wouldn’t! Given a choice between a moderate gop member and a dem they will go dem every time.

Incorrect, while that might be the way you think it doesn’t mean its how others do. I vote across the aisle all the time especially at the state & local level

Yeah, this is the first election where I’ve voted straight Democrat.
Every other election (even off, off year elections), I’ve always voted for one Republican that had ideas I agreed with. I will admit that these Republicans are on the local level, but still.

gooddad409 · 2020-10-19T16:09:43.891Z

Smyrna:

highroller:

That party also controlled part of the Congress from 2010 - 2016 and could have raised taxes to deal with the deficit, but instead complained about spending for six years and then reduced taxes in 2017 making the deficit worse.

Now they’re back to complaining about spending.

That’s bull feces. The spending is what drove the debt up, not the tax cuts.

Despite the enormous tax cut, federal revenue increased by $10 billion in 2018, by $130 billion in 2019, and was projected to grow by even more in 2020 before the COVID-19 pandemic and its economic effects.

Did the Trump tax cuts really 'work?' - Washington Times

Shame on you for confusing them with facts!

highroller · 2020-10-19T16:15:14.438Z

gooddad409:

Shame on you for confusing them with facts!

There has already been debates (so many debates) on this. One side has said the tax cuts have increased revenue and the other has stated that the increase would have happened regardless of the tax cuts and therefore the tax cuts did not cause the increase and in fact decreased the increase. This has been stated with studies cited to no avail. There is no more debate from one side because there is no discussion. It is just repeating of talking points from the 80s.

I guess if you repeat it long enough, it becomes true because there is no critical thinking here on the subject of tax cuts and economic growth.

Smyrna · 2020-10-19T17:04:06.798Z

highroller:

There has already been debates (so many debates) on this. One side has said the tax cuts have increased revenue and the other has stated that the increase would have happened regardless of the tax cuts and therefore the tax cuts did not cause the increase and in fact decreased the increase. This has been stated with studies cited to no avail. There is no more debate from one side because there is no discussion. It is just repeating of talking points from the 80s.

I guess if you repeat it long enough, it becomes true because there is no critical thinking here on the subject of tax cuts and economic growth.

The debates took place before the data was actually tabulated. Now they have and the tax cuts worked perfectly.

highroller · 2020-10-19T17:05:56.140Z

Keep telling yourself that. I know you will.

Smyrna · 2020-10-19T17:07:14.708Z

highroller:

Keep telling yourself that. I know you will.

Here…mediate on this…federal revenue increased by $10 billion in 2018, by $130 billion in 2019, and was projected to grow by even more in 2020 before the COVID-19 pandemic and its economic effects.