Political Bent: Born this Way?

[conan]

@Jezcoe

The failure in that logic is that looking at a political dichotomy where everything is either “liberal” or “conservative” the words that you just wrote can apply to either of those concepts.

For example. … Just because “conservatives” may have the attribute “repsect” does not in anyway confer the opposite attribute to “liberals”

You said

@Jezcoe

When one chooses to view nearly everything through a false dichotomous political paradigm, then that is on them… not me.

I want you to think about it.

Earlier back when you said these words.

Understanding that they exist is the only way to overcome them.

When they’re incapable of overcoming them is when it’s becomes political.

[JayJay]

May I ask what you see as biased in @Jezcoe’s statement?

[Jezcoe]

@conan

@Jezcoe

The failure in that logic is that looking at a political dichotomy where everything is either “liberal” or “conservative” the words that you just wrote can apply to either of those concepts.

For example. … Just because “conservatives” may have the attribute “repsect” does not in anyway confer the opposite attribute to “liberals”

You said

@Jezcoe

When one chooses to view nearly everything through a false dichotomous political paradigm, then that is on them… not me.

I want you to think about it.

Earlier back when you said these words.

Understanding that they exist is the only way to overcome them.

When they’re incapable of overcoming them is when it’s becomes political.

That is to say that we all as humans have certain cognitive biases baked in. It is part of who we are.

I spoke earlier in thread that most social interactions are based on simple heuristics. They might not always be correct but they work well enough. Why do they stick around… well because they work well enough.

Like say boiling everything down to a dichotomous argument. That is a heuristic. It is not always correct, but it is so ingrained that people will spill a lot of electrons saying contradictory things back to back like

“There is only the dichotomy”

and

“Reductionism won’t work with human beings.”

in order to defend it.

[conan]

@JayJay

May I ask what you see as biased in @Jezcoe’s statement?

@Jezcoe

Every single human has within them predispostions and biases. That is just how we are built.

Understanding that they exist is the only way to overcome them.

It is my theory when they aren’t able to overcome ones own bias is when it become political.

And thus they’re unable to overcome them as Jezcoe stated.

Yes I edit this post to add Jay quote…which I forgot to do when replying to him.

[WuWei]

@Jezcoe

When one tries to apply it a personal and individual level it fails.

No it doesn’t fail.

[WuWei]

@Jezcoe

@WuWei

@Jezcoe

The failure in that logic is that looking at a political dichotomy where everything is either “liberal” or “conservative” the words that you just wrote can apply to either of those concepts.

For example. … Just because “conservatives” may have the attribute “repsect” does not in anyway confer the opposite attribute to “liberals”

Reductionism won’t work with human beings.

Glad we can agree.

Then stop trying it.

[Jezcoe]

@conan

@Jezcoe

Every single human has within them predispostions and biases. That is just how we are built.

Understanding that they exist is the only way to overcome them.

It is my theory when they aren’t able to overcome ones own bias is when it become political.

And thus they’re unable to overcome them as Jezcoe stated.

I get where you are coming from, but I don’t think that it is always becomes political.

It can become political, like say the QAnon thing is an example of a whole load of biases entering in to the political realm… but for the most part, cognitive biases usually have little social cost and they usually don’t get you killed.

So… they work well enough.

[conan]

I’m not going to deny anything.

You made a comment

Understanding that they exist is the only way to overcome them.

It is my belief is that they aren’t able to overcome them…and thus it become political.

[Jezcoe]

@WuWei

@Jezcoe

When one tries to apply it a personal and individual level it fails.

No it doesn’t fail.

Yes it does.

I am not the one being reductionist.

Trying to be biological reductionist when it comes to political opinions is fool’s errand in my opinion.

As stated before… might as well use horoscopes or tarot cards… would probably have the same amount of success.

[WuWei]

@Jezcoe

I spoke earlier in thread that most social interactions are based on simple heuristics. They might not always be correct but they work well enough. Why do they stick around… well because they work well enough.

And that is incorrect in that heuristics are general used in the context of saving time. In this case it is to confirm bias. If you want to expand the definition to include confirmation bias, I’m fine with it, but we need to be clear.

And you are not different.

We will listen as long as they agree with our decision.

[WuWei]

@Jezcoe

@conan

@Jezcoe

The failure in that logic is that looking at a political dichotomy where everything is either “liberal” or “conservative” the words that you just wrote can apply to either of those concepts.

For example. … Just because “conservatives” may have the attribute “repsect” does not in anyway confer the opposite attribute to “liberals”

You said

@Jezcoe

When one chooses to view nearly everything through a false dichotomous political paradigm, then that is on them… not me.

I want you to think about it.

Earlier back when you said these words.

Understanding that they exist is the only way to overcome them.

When they’re incapable of overcoming them is when it’s becomes political.

That is to say that we all as humans have certain cognitive biases baked in. It is part of who we are.

I spoke earlier in thread that most social interactions are based on simple heuristics. They might not always be correct but they work well enough. Why do they stick around… well because they work well enough.

Like say boiling everything down to a dichotomous argument. That is a heuristic. It is not always correct, but it is so ingrained that people will spill a lot of electrons saying contradictory things back to back like

“There is only the dichotomy”

and

“Reductionism won’t work with human beings.”

in order to defend it.

Check your premise.

[Jezcoe]

@WuWei

@Jezcoe

I spoke earlier in thread that most social interactions are based on simple heuristics. They might not always be correct but they work well enough. Why do they stick around… well because they work well enough.

And that is incorrect in that heuristics are general used in the context of saving time. In this case it is to confirm bias. If you want to expand the definition to include confirmation bias, I’m fine with it, but we need to be clear.

And you are not different.

We will listen as long as they agree with our decision.

Generally yes.

Unless one understands cognitive biases and works to overcome them.

[Jezcoe]

@conan

I’m not going to deny anything.

You made a comment

Understanding that they exist is the only way to overcome them.

It is my belief is that they aren’t able to overcome them…and thus it become political.

And as I keep saying… it doesn’t always become political.

it doesn’t have to.

[conan]

You cannot control the sheep that is under another shepherd, oh you might pry one or two away now and then but the flock shell remain a flock.

It’s what politics is…is it not?

[WuWei]

@Jezcoe

@WuWei

@Jezcoe

When one tries to apply it a personal and individual level it fails.

No it doesn’t fail.

Yes it does.

I am not the one being reductionist.

Trying to be biological reductionist when it comes to political opinions is fool’s errand in my opinion.

As stated before… might as well use horoscopes or tarot cards… would probably have the same amount of success.

No it doesn’t and you can’t prove it does. Your very position in this thread proves it is true.

You are denying science because you don’t like the image in the mirror. You can’t defend your positions if you are just as illogical as everyone else. It’s probably an external locus of control.

[conan]

It may not always become political but is It nature of politics.

[conan]

In today’s political climate…

[WuWei]

@Jezcoe

Generally yes.

Unless one understands cognitive biases and works to overcome them.

Which you do not do. You are attempting to camouflage them with logic. It is very important to you to “prove” that you have “evolved” or “progressed” from the moral foundations under discussion. Reached a higher plain as it were. Born better and continuously improving.

And then there’s the truth.

[WuWei]

@WuWei

logic

Which does not exist.

[WuWei]

@Jezcoe

might as well use horoscopes or tarot cards… would probably have the same amount of success.

Success doing what? Why the derision? It came easy, didn’t. Almost a visceral reaction.